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Three Arch Capital in CA - Jean Allen/NC
7/25/2007 8:21:39 PM (2710 views)
Re: Three Arch Capital in CA - Dan Zook/NY
7/26/2007 2:35:56 PM (3236 views)
Re: Three Arch Capital in CA - Jean Allen/NC
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RELS Abstract - Brad McCollom/IN
7/25/2007 8:08:52 PM (2757 views)
Re: RELS Abstract - george Hubka/MI
7/26/2007 9:20:38 PM (3246 views)
Re: RELS Abstract - Jill Kissell/IA
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NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Wanda Steudel/OH
7/25/2007 5:40:58 PM (2401 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Scott Perry/PA
7/25/2007 6:51:04 PM (3300 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/25/2007 6:56:49 PM (3407 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Scott Perry/PA
7/25/2007 7:02:19 PM (3490 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/25/2007 7:07:27 PM (3353 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Scott Perry/PA
7/25/2007 7:10:54 PM (3321 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/25/2007 7:14:36 PM (3260 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Scott Perry/PA
7/25/2007 7:23:33 PM (3381 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/25/2007 7:28:05 PM (3305 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Scott Perry/PA
7/25/2007 7:32:34 PM (3252 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/25/2007 7:34:10 PM (3257 views)
Re: Uh...er...ahem - Patrick Scott/IL
7/25/2007 9:11:16 PM (3316 views)
Re: Uh...er...ahem - Scott Perry/PA
7/25/2007 9:22:44 PM (3179 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Wanda Steudel/OH
7/26/2007 11:46:38 AM (3170 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/26/2007 11:57:54 AM (3205 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Robert Franco/OH
7/25/2007 8:43:58 PM (3292 views)

Bravo Wanda!  You stated that very well.  I don't know why Mr. Ahern isn't complaining that ALTA hasn't yet chartered a bank so they could sell mortgages and refer work to their title company members. He simply misses the point of a "professional association."  No matter how well, and how simply, you explain it to him - he just isn't capable of understanding.

No matter how many times we tell people that we have spent many hours working on group discounts on E&O and health care premiums, people like Mr. Ahern just won't understand that those insurance companies aren't interested in offering such benefits until we have enough members to make it worth their while.  That seems to be a problem, as those like Mr. Ahern won't support NALTEA until those benefits are obtained - that is the "catch-22" that perplexes him so much.

Why he thinks that NALTEA has, or ever will have, the ability to "force" VMC's to send more work to particular individuals, or pay them more money when the competition is cheaper, is something that nobody but he will ever understand.  All a professional association can do, and what NALTEA does, is promote the importance of the role of the abstractor.  It's all about educating the clients, and the abstractors, so that they have a reason to "want to change" the status quo.  Unless someone forgot to tell me about it, there is no magic wand that NALTEA can waive to instantly produce huge profits for abstractors.

You are right that Mr. Ahern likes to argue, but he will never be a great litigator.  Litigation isn't about arguing - its about persuasion.  Pointing to a few unrealistic expectations and saying, "why haven't you don't this for me," doesn't rise to the level of litigation.  I don't think it's even an argument - its quite simply whining.

Perhaps he has not seen NALTEA's mission statement:

“To foster better understanding between the membership and others involved in the title profession, to provide information and education to the membership and others, and to assist the members in providing quality service to their clients.”

(No where in there is "obtain more work for the abstractors that they can charge higher fees for completing.)

Or NALTEA's stated objectives:

  • To establish and maintain uniform standards and practices for the profession of land records abstracting by setting forth guidelines for training, experience and ethical conduct.
  • To foster better relationships among title examiners/abstractors and those whom they serve, i.e., title insurers, lending institutions, attorneys and other land title professionals.
  • To provide information and education to the membership of the Association; to members of local, state and federal legislatures having jurisdiction over the land title industry; to consumers; and to businesses engaging in the transfer of ownership interests in real estate.
  • To promote understanding and awareness of the importance of the proper examination, abstracting and reporting of land title records.

(Again, no mention of "making sure that abstractors can make a bigger profit.")

I don't know where he got the idea that NALTEA was going to deliver more work to our members' fax machines.  The purpose isn't to run our members' businesses, I trust they are quite capable of doing that themselves.  Rather, the purpose is to educate, inform, and promote.  Generally to improve the industry - not Mr. Ahern's bank account.  Which NALTEA member promised him that? 

I don't know what professional associations Mr. Ahern belongs to, or which ones would have him, but if one of them is just mailing him money every month, I'd like to join too. 

Thanks again, Wanda.  You are quite right.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Scott Perry/PA
7/25/2007 10:10:26 PM (3114 views)
Re: NALTEA & "New Ideas" - Smitty Strickland/SC
8/3/2007 7:19:54 PM (3241 views)

real advantage - marilyn snyder/FL
7/25/2007 3:49:45 PM (2770 views)
Re: real advantage - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
7/26/2007 6:28:56 AM (3271 views)
Re: real advantage - Victoria Ledford/TN
8/6/2007 8:48:32 AM (5076 views)

Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - don  sedy/NY
7/24/2007 10:54:29 PM (3324 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
7/25/2007 11:40:17 AM (3671 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/25/2007 11:49:01 AM (3620 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Wendi See/SC
7/25/2007 12:02:21 PM (3664 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Julie Jasiunas/WI
7/25/2007 12:40:22 PM (3587 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Robert Franco/OH
7/25/2007 1:18:46 PM (3449 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/25/2007 4:28:39 PM (3432 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Robert Franco/OH
7/25/2007 4:38:19 PM (3576 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/25/2007 5:29:52 PM (3550 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Kim Cowles/WI
7/25/2007 5:05:07 PM (3565 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/25/2007 6:30:40 PM (3514 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - george Hubka/MI
7/31/2007 3:08:04 AM (3252 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - KS/IN
7/25/2007 9:27:52 PM (3405 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Kim Cowles/WI
7/28/2007 9:45:55 AM (3375 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Lisa Gilliam/TN
7/30/2007 9:20:38 AM (3303 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - David Shouse/GA
7/31/2007 12:55:05 PM (3221 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Denald McCarthy/MA
8/1/2007 7:21:07 PM (3258 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Andre Thomas/AZ
8/8/2007 3:56:54 PM (3251 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA Message to all Abstractors - Jessica Talley/NJ
8/8/2007 5:04:07 PM (3288 views)




Talk to me New Hampshire people.... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/24/2007 7:15:15 PM (2439 views)
Re: Talk to me New Hampshire people.... - Amy Sandler Komisarek/NH
7/30/2007 8:30:47 AM (3275 views)
Re: Talk to me New Hampshire people.... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/30/2007 9:04:48 AM (3274 views)

JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - KS/IN
7/24/2007 4:29:50 PM (2859 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - Robert Franco/OH
7/24/2007 4:48:40 PM (5389 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/25/2007 4:37:08 PM (3429 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - george Hubka/MI
7/26/2007 9:50:52 PM (3373 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - ks/IN
7/28/2007 9:41:33 AM (3321 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - J Nisonger/CA
7/29/2007 11:51:05 PM (3256 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - george Hubka/MI
7/31/2007 3:12:57 AM (3231 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - J Nisonger/CA
8/1/2007 9:16:37 PM (3259 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - george Hubka/MI
8/2/2007 9:41:00 PM (3190 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - ks/IN
8/6/2007 6:49:48 AM (3290 views)
KS Please read: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - J Nisonger/CA
8/7/2007 7:23:00 PM (3444 views)
Re: KS Please read: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - ks/IN
8/9/2007 6:53:11 AM (3263 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - ks/IN
8/6/2007 6:47:02 AM (3322 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - ks/IN
8/6/2007 6:44:37 AM (3358 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - Lori Cassidy/CT
8/13/2007 9:27:42 PM (3307 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - ks/IN
8/14/2007 5:37:33 PM (3141 views)
Re: JUST AN FYI FOR ALL - ks/IN
8/14/2007 5:38:58 PM (3216 views)

payment history - WAYNE QUICK/NC
7/23/2007 7:53:10 PM (2800 views)
Re: payment history - Joseph Weaver/VA
7/23/2007 10:26:54 PM (3245 views)
Re: payment history - Bill Jones/NJ
7/24/2007 11:29:49 AM (3168 views)
Re: payment history - David Shouse/GA
7/24/2007 6:23:38 PM (3282 views)
Re: payment history - george Hubka/MI
7/31/2007 3:15:21 AM (3172 views)
Re: payment history - Langdon Knight/MO
7/31/2007 12:41:58 AM (3258 views)

Abstractor Count and State Licensing - Lynn Hammett/SC
7/23/2007 6:46:06 PM (1903 views)

Just for the sake of debate... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/23/2007 3:17:56 PM (2562 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - Robert Breakell/CT
7/23/2007 4:41:28 PM (3385 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - Robert Franco/OH
7/23/2007 4:52:12 PM (3224 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/24/2007 10:32:22 AM (3102 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - Robert Franco/OH
7/24/2007 11:14:49 AM (3195 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - george Hubka/MI
7/26/2007 9:58:43 PM (3097 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - Robert Franco/OH
7/27/2007 12:47:21 AM (3163 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - David Bloys/TX
7/28/2007 8:29:50 PM (3224 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - george Hubka/MI
7/29/2007 10:50:23 PM (3101 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - Scott Perry/PA
7/23/2007 5:16:06 PM (3111 views)
Re: Just for the sake of debate... - george Hubka/MI
7/23/2007 7:43:05 PM (3143 views)

U.S. Land Title - Kurt deVries/FL
7/23/2007 1:49:24 PM (2631 views)
Re: U.S. Land Title - David Nixon/MA
7/24/2007 3:01:29 PM (3434 views)
Re: U.S. Land Title - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/26/2007 5:08:20 PM (3262 views)

Help please..... - Lynn Hammett/SC
7/22/2007 4:14:03 AM (2636 views)
Re: Help please..... - Carol Walker/AZ
7/23/2007 1:34:28 PM (3365 views)
Re: Help please..... - george Hubka/MI
7/23/2007 7:49:29 PM (3249 views)
Re: Help please..... - Janis Talbot/SC
9/17/2007 9:43:05 AM (3133 views)

Title Stream Info - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/20/2007 10:46:53 PM (2967 views)
Re: Title Stream Info - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
7/23/2007 5:53:04 PM (3192 views)
Re: Title Stream Info - Scott Perry/PA
7/23/2007 7:19:59 PM (3276 views)
Re: Title Stream Info - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
7/24/2007 9:04:21 AM (3250 views)
Re: Title Stream Info - James Powell/MI
7/24/2007 9:26:35 AM (5005 views)
Re: Title Stream Info - Dan Zook/NY
7/24/2007 9:07:46 AM (3194 views)
Re: Title Stream Info - Tempie Elder/TX
7/24/2007 4:39:15 PM (3230 views)

Ever Do A Search On A Parking Space? - David Bloys/TX
7/20/2007 10:17:46 PM (3799 views)
Re: Ever Do A Search On A Parking Space? - Scott Perry/PA
7/20/2007 10:38:20 PM (3345 views)
Re: Ever Do A Search On A Parking Space? - Lynn Hammett/SC
7/22/2007 4:31:02 AM (3457 views)
Searching A Parking Space for the Novice - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
7/23/2007 8:18:51 AM (3413 views)
Re: Searching A Parking Space for the Novice - Anita Backlund/MN
7/26/2007 3:44:14 PM (3310 views)

Kansas title searches - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
7/20/2007 12:17:55 PM (2592 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/20/2007 1:24:18 PM (3450 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Jay Duncan/MO
7/20/2007 5:58:29 PM (3477 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
7/21/2007 10:55:32 AM (3485 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Robert Franco/OH
7/21/2007 11:17:24 AM (3434 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/21/2007 12:51:36 PM (3409 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
7/21/2007 2:47:14 PM (3317 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/21/2007 6:29:07 PM (3379 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
7/21/2007 8:14:35 PM (3340 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Sandra Morton/KS
7/24/2007 11:10:37 AM (3399 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/24/2007 11:32:26 AM (3286 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Robert Franco/OH
7/24/2007 1:30:49 PM (3326 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/24/2007 1:43:59 PM (3343 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Robert Franco/OH
7/24/2007 2:43:47 PM (3371 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Jay Duncan/MO
7/24/2007 3:02:44 PM (3179 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/24/2007 3:04:18 PM (3258 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Robert Franco/OH
7/24/2007 3:26:43 PM (3228 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/24/2007 3:31:38 PM (3185 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
7/24/2007 4:46:09 PM (3232 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Robert Franco/OH
7/24/2007 5:00:11 PM (3358 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Sandra Morton/KS
7/30/2007 11:50:05 AM (3206 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Jay Duncan/MO
7/24/2007 5:18:05 PM (3237 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
7/24/2007 7:55:55 PM (3304 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Jay Duncan/MO
7/24/2007 10:47:49 PM (3291 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/25/2007 10:39:38 AM (3207 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Robert Franco/OH
7/25/2007 11:05:37 AM (3233 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Jay Duncan/MO
7/25/2007 12:43:12 PM (3260 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Lynn Hammett/SC
7/24/2007 6:58:33 PM (4837 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Scott Perry/PA
7/24/2007 4:42:35 PM (3269 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - Sandra Morton/KS
7/30/2007 11:44:13 AM (3225 views)
Re: Kansas title searches - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
7/31/2007 4:18:00 PM (3222 views)


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