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No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/26/2007 11:24:34 PM (2562 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Terri Langert/CA
2/27/2007 1:16:52 PM (3300 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/28/2007 2:48:11 AM (3110 views)

Pro Bono Notary service - Jim Lissemore/NJ
2/24/2007 5:21:01 PM (2497 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - george Hubka/MI
2/26/2007 8:58:42 PM (3155 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - Loretta Reed/MD
2/27/2007 10:56:09 AM (3234 views)

Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:03:35 AM (3380 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Jan Forster/NC
2/24/2007 9:40:14 AM (3508 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:51:31 AM (3434 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 10:12:36 AM (5416 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/25/2007 12:30:58 PM (3382 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2007 2:27:50 PM (3426 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/26/2007 12:29:25 PM (3688 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 12:14:41 AM (3309 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2007 1:00:00 AM (5353 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/27/2007 3:51:05 PM (3434 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 6:22:57 PM (3203 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 7:17:09 PM (3408 views)
Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Jan Forster/NC
2/27/2007 7:40:55 PM (3331 views)
Re: Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 9:56:21 PM (3298 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 10:35:41 PM (3288 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/28/2007 11:20:48 AM (3319 views)

To answer your questions, in my lay opinion:

(1) In your review of the AG opinion does it specifically state records on the Internet or records in general  or both?  Section 552.147 restricts access to the SSNs in the clerk's records that are subject to the Public Information Act.  Presumably that would mean both on-line and in the courthouse.  The AG opinion specifically addresses the issue of on-line records by saying that SSNs of living persons must be redacted before making the information available on the Internet.  However, more generally, the opinion states that the PIA limits the voluntary disclosure of information
to the public.

(2)  In terms of protecting the public - what's your opinion re:  availability of documents if I travel to the courthouse?  Information at the courthouse level is also protected and there does need to be some control under the current law as interpreted by the attorney general.  After reading his opinion, I agree with his conclusions.  He went through all of the proper steps in analyzing the law and his application is sound.

However, I think indirectly he mentions that the purpose of the legislation is to prevent the "uncontrolled release of SSNs to a member of the public."  I believe that by restricting access to the county level, there IS some control.  Those who visit the courthouse in person are seen by the clerks, as well as other responsible title professionals, who are more apt to notice someone searching for SSNs, or otherwise gathering information in an unethical manner.  There is some accountability that is inherent in appearing in person.

The concern of the clerk's is certainly warranted.  I think that there would be potential for them to be held responsible, under this legislation, if someone were to appear in person and leave the office with SSNs gathered from the public records.  But, I think that the steps they have taken are over-kill. If I were a county clerk, I would begin by having all of those who require access to the public records sign-in.  I would also look into the possibility of having them sign a agreement that they would not gather any SSNs, or otherwise do anything that would subject the office to penalties under Section 552.147, and an indemnity if they do.  Furthermore, I would not allow them to make any copies, rather, the clerks should make any necessary copies taking careful steps to redact any SSNs before the copies are made. 

This is not a perfect solution, but it does help provide some protection for the clerks and nobody could argue that they didn't take reasonable precautions against the "uncontrolled release of SSNs."  I'm not sure if there is any element of "intent," or some specific "standard of care," required in the legislation, but perhaps that would be the best way to resolve the problems.  No law, other than one that prevents all access, can completely prevent the "unintentional" disclosure of an SSN; even if every document is reviewed, someone is going to miss one sooner or later.  Taking reasonable precautions at the courthouse would enable business to continue as normal, while the mass publication on the Internet would certainly be reckless. 

Finally, I would just like to mention that I am awful sorry to hear about the problems this has created in some of the Texas counties.  I still think that Texas is moving in the right direction, but obviously, the very literal reading of the opinion has been taken to extremes.  I hope that the legislators can address the problem without making Section 552.147 meaningless for the millions of citizens it is designed to protect.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/28/2007 9:37:48 PM (3338 views)

Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/23/2007 11:46:30 PM (2534 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/24/2007 10:47:53 AM (3264 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Leigh Rampey/SC
2/26/2007 4:21:53 AM (3239 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/26/2007 8:37:40 AM (3545 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 7:58:09 AM (3381 views)

Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Gena Taylor/VA
2/23/2007 6:04:17 PM (2528 views)
Re: ..... AFX - Dave Pell/GA
2/23/2007 7:47:01 PM (3477 views)
Re: ..... AFX - Russ Frye/GA
2/26/2007 10:00:50 PM (3217 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Wendi See/SC
2/25/2007 12:19:43 PM (3356 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/26/2007 7:37:45 AM (3370 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Kristi Lee/NE
2/26/2007 9:34:34 AM (3278 views)




Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Dave Ellis/WI
2/23/2007 12:04:28 PM (2452 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Stephen Williams/MO
2/23/2007 2:02:42 PM (3516 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Julie Jasiunas/WI
2/23/2007 6:28:18 PM (3472 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/24/2007 10:44:09 AM (3368 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Sherry Sapier/FL
2/26/2007 12:18:29 PM (3255 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - george Hubka/MI
2/26/2007 8:55:25 PM (3261 views)

Frux - Gena Taylor/VA
2/22/2007 6:51:43 PM (2561 views)
Re: Frux - Jay Duncan/MO
2/22/2007 8:04:41 PM (3349 views)
Re: Frux - Gena Taylor/VA
2/23/2007 5:58:35 PM (3241 views)
Re: Frux - Sophia Varga/NY
2/26/2007 3:37:04 PM (3196 views)

Great Article! - Ethics/OH
2/21/2007 3:14:43 PM (3240 views)

Update - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/21/2007 7:38:44 AM (1967 views)

Does Existing Ohio Law Prohibit AfBAs in Ohio? - Henry Hessler/OH
2/20/2007 5:04:41 PM (2941 views)
Re: Does Existing Ohio Law Prohibit AfBAs in Ohio? - Patrick Scott/IL
2/21/2007 9:44:42 AM (3237 views)
Re: Does Existing Ohio Law Prohibit AfBAs in Ohio? - John Povejsil/MN
2/26/2007 10:18:22 AM (3120 views)

Title Standards - Robert Franco/OH
2/20/2007 11:33:57 AM (1995 views)

Vanguard Documents? - C Y/NY
2/20/2007 8:14:08 AM (1927 views)

Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Nathan Miller/KY
2/19/2007 6:26:09 PM (2372 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Dorothy Payne/NY
2/19/2007 7:46:31 PM (3292 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Nathan Miller/KY
2/19/2007 7:56:34 PM (3255 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Dorothy Payne/NY
2/20/2007 4:58:27 PM (3179 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Barbara Bennett/IN
2/22/2007 2:52:10 PM (3194 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Dorothy Payne/NY
3/7/2007 9:57:49 PM (3378 views)

Tri-County Title - who are they? - Nathan Miller/KY
2/19/2007 5:50:47 PM (1943 views)

Are you losing out on new clients? - Robert Franco/OH
2/19/2007 3:41:02 PM (2582 views)
Re: Are you losing out on new clients? - Robert Franco/OH
2/21/2007 2:39:11 PM (3200 views)


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