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ATLA Tech Forum April 30 - George Booth/OH
4/11/2006 8:30:21 AM (2457 views)
Re: ATLA Tech Forum April 30 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: ATLA Tech Forum April 30 - George Booth/OH
4/11/2006 1:43:16 PM (3325 views)

Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - David Bloys/TX
4/11/2006 2:28:45 AM (3572 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Jay Duncan/MO
4/11/2006 8:09:08 AM (3210 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - George Booth/OH
4/11/2006 8:30:52 AM (3196 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2006 10:52:14 AM (3354 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Robert Franco/OH
4/11/2006 11:57:59 AM (3400 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Patrick Scott/IL
4/11/2006 12:40:14 PM (3373 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - David Bloys/TX
4/11/2006 5:15:23 PM (3220 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Jay Duncan/MO
4/11/2006 5:21:35 PM (3217 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - joy doyle/NY
4/11/2006 7:40:06 PM (3209 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - David Bloys/TX
4/11/2006 9:42:51 PM (5687 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - joy doyle/NY
4/13/2006 1:21:07 AM (3248 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - David Bloys/TX
4/13/2006 7:47:59 AM (3194 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - J Nisonger/CA
4/12/2006 2:02:33 AM (3302 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Wanda Steudel/OH
4/12/2006 12:22:54 PM (3179 views)
Way to Go, Dave!! - Scott Perry/PA
4/12/2006 4:53:24 PM (3242 views)

Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Jim Riggs/IN
4/10/2006 6:51:32 PM (2506 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Kim Cowles/WI
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Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/17/2006 7:00:31 AM (3233 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Shannon Finnessy/WI
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Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Tammy Knight/MO
4/18/2006 11:16:13 PM (3253 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Jim Riggs/IN
4/20/2006 8:37:06 PM (3183 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Walter Swinehart/PA
5/30/2006 9:34:14 AM (3302 views)

Michigan Land Title agency - Ellen Maher/MI
4/10/2006 3:28:33 PM (2047 views)

SPOTLIGHT: Bill Garrett - Robert Franco/OH
4/10/2006 3:19:32 PM (1960 views)


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Ex-employee steals from Real Property Resources-Part 2 - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
4/10/2006 12:02:18 PM (1963 views)

A Thank You - Wanda Steudel/OH
4/7/2006 4:07:23 PM (2401 views)
Re: A Thank You - Robert Franco/OH
4/7/2006 5:56:29 PM (2954 views)

reimbursement for mileage/gas - Deborah Manion/VA
4/7/2006 3:56:18 PM (2464 views)
Re: reimbursement for mileage/gas - Robert Franco/OH
4/7/2006 5:52:21 PM (3057 views)
Re: reimbursement for mileage/gas - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/7/2006 8:25:27 PM (3140 views)
Re: reimbursement for mileage/gas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/8/2006 10:04:48 AM (3029 views)

HUD-1's and fees - Robert Breakell/CT
4/3/2006 6:22:58 PM (2585 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/3/2006 9:10:13 PM (3031 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/4/2006 8:07:44 AM (3001 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - George Booth/OH
4/4/2006 1:09:22 PM (3137 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/5/2006 10:27:32 AM (3071 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - George Booth/OH
4/5/2006 11:31:29 AM (3034 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - George Booth/OH
4/5/2006 11:32:53 AM (3016 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Robert Breakell/CT
4/5/2006 5:35:23 PM (2970 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/5/2006 7:30:51 PM (3011 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/6/2006 12:50:27 PM (2974 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - George Booth/OH
4/7/2006 11:08:37 PM (3045 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/8/2006 9:58:17 AM (3025 views)

LLC's...Operating Agreements - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/3/2006 8:56:03 AM (2442 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Robert Breakell/CT
4/3/2006 1:13:49 PM (3081 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Vikki Moffitt/GA
4/5/2006 8:59:30 AM (3087 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/6/2006 10:53:19 AM (2951 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/5/2006 10:28:34 AM (2987 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/5/2006 10:39:13 AM (2960 views)

Anyone familiar with a company named Source Title Solutions, Inc. ? - Joseph Weaver/VA
4/1/2006 6:47:51 PM (2160 views)

Practicing Law - Ricky Farrow/FL
3/29/2006 9:21:10 PM (2481 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/6/2006 7:09:18 AM (3330 views)
CT & VT Recording Alike - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
4/6/2006 8:53:11 AM (3134 views)
Re: Practicing Law - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/6/2006 8:59:15 AM (3087 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/6/2006 1:06:21 PM (3047 views)
Re: Practicing Law - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/6/2006 4:26:33 PM (3137 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/6/2006 4:45:31 PM (3203 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/6/2006 4:46:05 PM (3137 views)
Re: Practicing Law - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/6/2006 10:33:51 PM (3116 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/7/2006 5:24:26 AM (3043 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/7/2006 11:07:47 AM (3048 views)

Once you are licensed then whats next? - Christine Sheeler/PA
3/29/2006 9:21:37 AM (2531 views)
Re: Once you are licensed then whats next? - George Booth/OH
3/29/2006 10:26:24 AM (3067 views)
Re: Once you are licensed then whats next? - Christine Sheeler/PA
3/29/2006 10:34:56 AM (3173 views)
Re: Once you are licensed then whats next? - George Booth/OH
3/29/2006 9:25:03 PM (3065 views)
Re: Once you are licensed then whats next? - Christine Sheeler/PA
3/30/2006 11:10:40 AM (3047 views)

Business 101 - Robert Franco/OH
3/28/2006 1:01:49 PM (2072 views)

Federal Tax Lien question - Kim Cowles/WI
3/28/2006 9:16:59 AM (2568 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - George Booth/OH
3/28/2006 9:48:04 AM (3349 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Ricky Farrow/FL
3/28/2006 3:13:52 PM (3193 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Robert Franco/OH
3/28/2006 4:12:57 PM (3346 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Jay Duncan/MO
3/28/2006 10:35:50 PM (3195 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Scott Perry/PA
3/28/2006 11:32:53 PM (3165 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Helene/GA
3/29/2006 1:01:49 AM (3160 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/29/2006 8:13:08 AM (3216 views)

It is the abstractor's job to report which liens, mortgages, etc. encumber the title to a property only. When I was doing title searches I normally dealt with the issue of tax liens, mechanic's liens and other time barred encumbrances as follows:
 
     1.   If there was a release specifically addressing the lien, the lien was not listed in the abstract as an encumbrance. 

     2.   If the lien was not released or not expired it was listed as an encumbrance. 

     3.   If the lien was not released, but there was some question as to whether the lien was expired or renewed, the lien was listed as a potential encumbrance to the extent that it was not expired or otherwise released, and a notation was made in the abstract that further inquiry should be made as to the current status of the lien.

It is not the abstractor's  function to make judgment calls in questionable situations. Remember, you are only getting paid $50.00 or less for a current owner search, possibly driving 25-30 miles to a town hall at your expense to perform the search , or possibly you are one of the abstractors being asked to reduce your price and include the cost of the copies in return for nothing from the client. Why should the abstractor incur the liability of making this determination? Scott is right. Someone else is being paid the big bucks to make this determination. Let him know the potential encumbrance is there, and let him earn his fee.

Before I issue a title insurance policy, I want to know the current status of potential problems rather than run the risk of insuring over a problem. When I am confronted with the problem of a possibly time barred lien, I list it as an exception to coverage until the property owner produces a copy of a duly recorded release.

When you can have the absolute release of the lien why rely on a time limitation which may or may not mave been renewed, the renewal or release may have been recorded out of the chain of title, or which may have been tolled (extended) for some reason. Even if it has not properly been tolled, arguments can be made for it which require a ruling of the court, and you have to go to the trouble and expense to defend. It is a drop in the bucket to the taxing authority if they are ruled wrong. I know of someone locally that got into a dispute with the IRS. He appealed all the way through the courts, and finally was driven out of business only to have the IRS finally concede that he was right.

I am very pleased when an  abstractor has brought a potential problem to my attention. It gives me the peace of mind of insisting on a release of the lien.

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Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Kim Cowles/WI
3/29/2006 8:49:39 AM (3126 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Brad McCollom/IN
3/29/2006 6:11:07 AM (5188 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Danielle Nelson/WI
3/29/2006 2:31:31 PM (3132 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
3/30/2006 9:10:26 AM (3072 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Jeanne Johnson/FL
4/3/2006 2:27:09 PM (3166 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Kristi Lee/NE
4/10/2006 11:54:33 AM (3003 views)


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