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Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 10:00:03 AM (2387 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:17:19 AM (2573 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2005 8:25:06 PM (2486 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:44:24 PM (2285 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 3:10:19 PM (2110 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/25/2006 4:47:30 PM (2206 views)
Age stereotyping - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2006 6:08:24 PM (2177 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 10:41:45 PM (2160 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 8:49:11 PM (4379 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/15/2005 9:00:30 PM (2571 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 9:28:17 PM (2246 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:23 AM (2306 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:44:05 AM (2234 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 8:00:24 AM (2183 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Steve Schneider/IN
12/16/2005 9:11:34 AM (2174 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:34:52 AM (2214 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:49 PM (2191 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:14:46 AM (2254 views)

J T

I am not sure why you are directing your response to me. I have not participated in this thread. As of late I have not been very active on SOT. However, now that you have brought me into the conversation, I will comment.
 
I have no problem with anyone running their business as they see fit. As far as low ball pricing is concerned, whether you can live with it or not depends largely on the region in which you operate. I am not sure how things are done in up state New York. In so far as southern New England is concerned, it is one of the most expensive areas of the country in which to live and operate a business. The problem is exacerbated by the political organization of Connecticut. We have no county government . All land records are recorded in the individual town halls...requiring much travel time on the road. Consequently, the price of gasoline is a major consideration in the pricing of your title search. If someone is charging $25 to $35.00 for a current owner search in this area, he has to be cutting corners somewhere else. What he gives up in the price of an individual search he needs make up in daily volume. In other words in order to cut his price by 50% he needs to double his daily output of work in order to break even. The town halls are open only 8 hours per day with a few exceptions. Some operate on a part time basis. It takes time to drive from one to another. How does one double his daily output of work without sacrificing quality? The time constraints alone do not allow it.

There is a particular business entity that has been critiqued on SOT because of its low pricing and difficult terms of service. I know of at least two searchers in this area that have thrown up their hands in disgust, and rejected further assignments because they could not prossibly provide the requested service at the low rate paid to them.

This was confirmed to me by one of the town clerks recently. She had observed a number of newbie searchers lately in the town of Wolcott, Ct. The town has recently installed a computer (not on line) to store its internal land records. She noticed the newbie searchers rushing in to perform their search on the computer without recourse to the written index, and rushing out the door to their next search. What the newbie searcher failed to consider is that the Town of Wolcott keeps its sewer liens in separate index not included in the computer index. The newbie searcher walked out the door to his next search without even considering the potential for encumbrances in the sewer lien index. The town of Wolcott, Ct is not alone. Because of the way Connecticut is organized, each town has its piculiarities with respect to the way each maintains its land records.

In so far as organizing abstractors into a union or forming their own abstracting/title company to preserve their interests...I have suggested these approaches at various times over the past 18 months. The suggestions met with mixed reviews either because of apathy or the financial inability of the individual searchers to come forward with the capital investment. Consequently, I do not see any remedy to the problem.
The issue will therefore only be rectified through the economic pressure to the market place. It will probably take several years before a determination is made as to whether the cut rate search, outsourced electronic search or the traditional brick and morter search is the most efficient.

In the case of my firm, we have never allowed abstracting to comprise an
unreasonably large portion of revenue. We are in the process of phasing out abstracting even further, and replacing the lost revenue with other more profitable areas of the real estate industry. We still maintain a limited list of abstracting clients who understand that quality costs a little more, and are willing to pay for the difference. We still accept new clients...but on our terms and at our prices.

As with all business in a free enterprise system the most efficient survives. The question is whether efficiency is determined by price or quality of service. If the searcher offering the $25 search can provide a quality product, he has won the game in the best American free enterprise tradition. He has invented the better mouse trap. Those that are unable to compete will need to find better ways to become competitive or find alternate lines of endeavor. Robert recently published an article in which he declared that this business is not longer profitable. He is right. If a searcher is limiting the services he markets to one service alone (abstracting) he is programmed for failure.

I really take offense at your posting. You have misstated my position in this matter.Do not ever condescendingly accuse me of viewing a free market system as an "infringement" on business or a "sour grapes" approach. I do see the death knell of the traditional abstractor approaching, and I have critized the V/M's, title companies and lenders for fostering an environment in which cheap price rather than quality of services was the preferred commodity. My counsel on this board has consistently been for its members to find better ways to compete... value added approach...form their own national/regional title companies...combine their abstracting with other services to lessen the impact of the low ball pricing.

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Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:20:34 AM (2210 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:47:16 PM (2332 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:48:03 PM (2320 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:48:10 PM (2324 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:57:38 PM (2271 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:05:18 AM (2182 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:59:50 PM (2090 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:49:46 PM (2068 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 10:04:56 AM (2162 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 10:31:04 AM (2128 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:03:18 AM (2164 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:14:43 AM (2107 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:06:02 PM (2076 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:17:23 AM (2107 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:27:18 AM (2145 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/16/2005 12:29:43 PM (2115 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 12:39:46 PM (2187 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 1:41:05 PM (2212 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 10:31:49 AM (2133 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/17/2005 11:09:00 AM (2060 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:17:32 PM (2219 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:33:58 PM (2195 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:19:48 PM (2164 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:09:32 PM (2038 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 12:41:27 PM (2174 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:20:17 PM (2158 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2005 1:06:07 AM (2024 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:02:19 PM (1930 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 9:02:14 AM (2061 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:17:41 PM (1910 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:51:15 PM (1907 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:19:19 AM (1853 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:48:33 PM (1884 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 1:10:58 PM (1957 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:18:50 AM (1990 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 11:28:34 AM (1951 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kathleen Krol/PA
12/19/2005 5:40:25 PM (1901 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2006 12:11:07 PM (1796 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:07:48 PM (1881 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:18:52 PM (1759 views)

American Legal and Financial Network, First American, Old Republic... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/14/2005 4:25:35 PM (2901 views)

Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/13/2005 4:20:09 PM (2358 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/14/2005 7:19:18 AM (2652 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/14/2005 9:10:29 AM (2723 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/15/2005 7:46:20 AM (2467 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 8:47:58 AM (2563 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 9:40:48 AM (2694 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 9:55:01 AM (2655 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:03:34 AM (2641 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 9:05:01 AM (2489 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 9:08:55 AM (2494 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:21:31 AM (2554 views)

Shipping Costs - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/13/2005 12:28:15 PM (2261 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Deborah Manion/VA
12/13/2005 2:16:47 PM (2733 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Robert Breakell/CT
12/13/2005 5:38:14 PM (2589 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Steve Schneider/IN
12/13/2005 5:43:45 PM (2731 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Steve Schneider/IN
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Re: Shipping Costs - Steve Schneider/IN
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Re: Shipping Costs - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/13/2005 6:19:39 PM (2428 views)

Share a Holiday Recipe - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/8/2005 1:51:37 PM (2314 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 8:27:09 PM (2559 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Robert Franco/OH
12/8/2005 11:53:39 PM (2662 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
12/9/2005 12:34:44 AM (2606 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/8/2005 9:21:53 PM (2635 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/12/2005 7:18:07 PM (2637 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/12/2005 7:18:16 PM (2726 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Tammy Knight/MO
12/12/2005 11:58:42 PM (2741 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - The King's Kid/PA
12/12/2005 7:31:06 PM (2655 views)




Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/7/2005 8:07:49 PM (3276 views)
Re: Cookies - Scott Perry/PA
12/7/2005 10:26:54 PM (2673 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/7/2005 11:23:34 PM (2541 views)
Re: Cookies - Tammy Knight/MO
12/8/2005 1:00:04 AM (2578 views)
Re: Cookies - Scott Perry/PA
12/8/2005 7:12:21 AM (2633 views)
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12/8/2005 7:54:37 AM (2748 views)
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Re: Cookies - Katrina Harris/GA
12/8/2005 3:15:39 PM (2713 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 8:21:41 PM (2606 views)
Re: Cookies - Kelli Gorman/TX
12/11/2005 1:41:11 PM (2655 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Cookies - Scott Perry/PA
12/11/2005 6:36:11 PM (2674 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Cookies - Tammy Elliott/WA
12/8/2005 11:43:01 PM (2642 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/9/2005 12:40:49 AM (2594 views)

Stories - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Stories - monica froese/ME
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Re: Stories - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Stories - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/8/2005 12:06:29 AM (2508 views)
Re: Stories - Tammy Knight/MO
12/8/2005 12:58:21 AM (2473 views)
Re: Stories - Deborah Manion/VA
12/8/2005 11:30:59 AM (2596 views)
Re: Stories - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Stories - Kelli Gorman/TX
12/16/2005 8:56:59 AM (2470 views)
Re: Stories - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/16/2005 6:20:05 PM (2536 views)
Re: Stories - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 7:17:40 PM (2468 views)

Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/7/2005 1:07:01 PM (2192 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Rachel Malone/PA
12/7/2005 9:58:10 PM (2663 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Scott Perry/PA
12/7/2005 10:24:27 PM (2609 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/7/2005 11:47:18 PM (2596 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Tammy Knight/MO
12/8/2005 12:53:48 AM (2537 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Rachel Malone/PA
12/8/2005 7:30:11 AM (2646 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - David Bloys/TX
12/8/2005 9:53:30 AM (2682 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/8/2005 11:10:15 AM (2628 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 9:15:17 PM (2557 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/9/2005 7:58:43 AM (2536 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 9:38:37 PM (2614 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - David Bloys/TX
12/9/2005 10:02:03 AM (2575 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
12/9/2005 7:18:17 PM (2516 views)

Early Registration Extended to Dec. 14th - Jay Duncan/MO
12/6/2005 3:21:57 PM (3341 views)
Re: Early Registration Extended to Dec. 14th - Robert Franco/OH
12/6/2005 4:06:12 PM (2493 views)

Jay Duncan - Tammy Knight/MO
12/6/2005 12:09:13 AM (2463 views)
Re: Jay Duncan - J Nisonger/CA
12/6/2005 5:40:04 AM (2901 views)
Re: Jay Duncan - Jay Duncan/MO
12/6/2005 7:17:32 AM (2824 views)
Re: Jay Duncan - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Jay Duncan - Tammy Knight/MO
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Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - J Nisonger/CA
12/5/2005 11:24:06 PM (2458 views)
Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - Tammy Knight/MO
12/5/2005 11:57:36 PM (2792 views)
Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - J Nisonger/CA
12/6/2005 5:47:48 AM (2906 views)
Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/6/2005 12:16:52 PM (2799 views)
Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - J Nisonger/CA
12/6/2005 11:34:28 PM (2627 views)
Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - Tammy Knight/MO
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Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - Rachel Malone/PA
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Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/8/2005 11:36:33 AM (2704 views)
Re: Abstractor... abstracter and now there is... - Scott Perry/PA
12/8/2005 7:05:48 PM (2687 views)

Jim with Contemporary - Tammy Knight/MO
12/5/2005 6:49:34 PM (2382 views)
Re: Jim with Contemporary - Jim Girardi/NY
12/6/2005 11:34:07 AM (2617 views)

Greenlink & Wauchovia - Deborah Manion/VA
12/5/2005 4:39:04 PM (3028 views)
Re: Greenlink & Wauchovia - Eboni/VA
12/14/2005 9:29:33 AM (2923 views)
Re: Greenlink & Wauchovia - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/15/2005 3:22:08 PM (3085 views)

Poor Pay/No Pay List - Iris Buchman/FL
12/5/2005 11:01:51 AM (2478 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Jay Duncan/MO
12/5/2005 12:11:29 PM (2916 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Tammy Knight/MO
12/5/2005 4:59:47 PM (3000 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Jay Duncan/MO
12/5/2005 8:30:54 PM (2997 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Jan Forster/NC
12/5/2005 8:41:22 PM (3048 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Jay Duncan/MO
12/5/2005 10:37:25 PM (3069 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - J Nisonger/CA
12/5/2005 11:04:05 PM (2954 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Tammy Knight/MO
12/5/2005 11:54:25 PM (2948 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - J Nisonger/CA
12/6/2005 6:06:33 AM (2898 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/6/2005 10:23:46 AM (2915 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Patrick Scott/IL
12/6/2005 12:50:44 PM (2767 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Tammy Knight/MO
12/6/2005 1:39:36 PM (2939 views)
Re: Poor Pay/No Pay List - Iris Buchman/FL
12/7/2005 12:21:37 AM (3009 views)

One Day at a Time - Jay Duncan/MO
12/4/2005 10:43:55 PM (1975 views)


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