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The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 1:59:03 PM (2239 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:01:47 PM (2973 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 2:29:40 PM (2936 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:37:05 PM (2835 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 2:45:53 PM (2850 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 3:02:09 PM (2904 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 3:16:18 PM (2789 views)

And another thing.... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:43:49 AM (2391 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:51:16 AM (2935 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:56:23 AM (3073 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 11:17:47 AM (3011 views)
Re: And another thing.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 2:18:49 PM (2771 views)

Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:17:57 AM (2283 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:25:21 AM (3012 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:34:35 AM (3109 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:39:20 AM (2933 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:51:13 AM (3023 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:54:10 AM (2938 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:58:00 AM (3155 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 11:16:48 AM (2875 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 11:28:23 AM (2895 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/21/2005 12:06:23 PM (3044 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 12:27:10 PM (2925 views)

Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 9:06:00 AM (2342 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/21/2005 9:23:21 AM (3116 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 9:41:07 AM (3079 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:22:33 AM (3019 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 1:33:16 PM (3071 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 1:56:32 PM (2909 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:04:27 PM (2958 views)
How about a secular Christmas story - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/21/2005 10:03:24 AM (3029 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Julie Jasiunas/WI
12/21/2005 10:06:12 AM (3056 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:08:41 AM (2903 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:34:22 AM (3029 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:36:04 AM (3070 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:39:18 AM (3025 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:54:14 AM (3109 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:57:43 AM (3144 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 12:05:45 PM (3116 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Loretta Reed/MD
12/21/2005 12:29:09 PM (2847 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kim Cowles/WI
12/22/2005 8:19:44 AM (2885 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/22/2005 11:36:01 AM (2937 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kurt deVries/FL
12/22/2005 11:46:24 AM (2882 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:35:00 AM (2926 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/23/2005 8:16:45 AM (2910 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/23/2005 9:21:36 AM (2836 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Deborah Manion/VA
12/23/2005 9:22:39 AM (2825 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2005 6:15:44 PM (2795 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kurt deVries/FL
12/23/2005 11:58:51 AM (2870 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/27/2005 12:16:01 PM (2833 views)

Monica - J Anonymous/CA
12/21/2005 3:52:22 AM (1807 views)


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This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 3:37:05 AM (3295 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - Scott Perry/PA
12/21/2005 8:05:32 AM (2855 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 12:14:00 PM (2834 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 2:21:55 PM (2786 views)

Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 11:29:31 AM (2372 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 12:08:25 PM (3258 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/20/2005 12:49:13 PM (3323 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 2:06:10 PM (3259 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 2:34:49 PM (3101 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Barbara Bennett/IN
12/20/2005 3:56:14 PM (3286 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2005 4:36:59 PM (3312 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 4:57:04 PM (3220 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2005 5:14:09 PM (3186 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 2:35:49 AM (3006 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 9:31:26 AM (3017 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 10:29:36 AM (3035 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:41:57 AM (3119 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 10:51:06 AM (3042 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/21/2005 10:59:04 AM (3104 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 11:35:58 AM (2940 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/23/2005 2:51:36 PM (2997 views)

Just had to share! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/20/2005 8:42:47 AM (2256 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/20/2005 11:37:44 AM (3065 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:18:59 PM (3054 views)
Re: Just had to share! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 1:49:39 PM (3194 views)
Re: Just had to share! - TITLE REPORTS PLUS RLE/MD
12/20/2005 3:22:21 PM (3053 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/20/2005 5:24:35 PM (3027 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2005 8:15:58 PM (3080 views)

Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 9:33:30 PM (1752 views)

..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:22:15 PM (2682 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 2:49:46 PM (3264 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:56:42 PM (3304 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 3:06:59 PM (3377 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 3:43:50 PM (3275 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 4:18:48 PM (3078 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/19/2005 5:05:15 PM (3133 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 6:24:59 PM (3222 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 10:11:41 AM (3100 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:15:08 PM (3383 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Wendi See/SC
12/20/2005 9:50:31 PM (3400 views)

Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 1:49:54 PM (3588 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/18/2005 4:43:25 PM (5085 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 8:24:21 AM (3290 views)

NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:27:06 PM (2331 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/17/2005 11:37:17 AM (5096 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:12:44 PM (3147 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 8:28:15 AM (3106 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:47:03 AM (3106 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/23/2005 10:38:33 AM (3069 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2005 11:07:57 AM (3005 views)

Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:21:44 AM (2328 views)
Re: Home exchange - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:05:32 AM (2922 views)
Re: Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:20:13 AM (3109 views)

Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 10:00:03 AM (2475 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:17:19 AM (2971 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2005 8:25:06 PM (2767 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:44:24 PM (2682 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 3:10:19 PM (2505 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/25/2006 4:47:30 PM (2536 views)
Age stereotyping - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2006 6:08:24 PM (2559 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 10:41:45 PM (2564 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 8:49:11 PM (4803 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/15/2005 9:00:30 PM (2969 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 9:28:17 PM (2578 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:23 AM (2658 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:44:05 AM (2588 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 8:00:24 AM (2519 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Steve Schneider/IN
12/16/2005 9:11:34 AM (2540 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:34:52 AM (2601 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:49 PM (2589 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:14:46 AM (2652 views)

J T

I am not sure why you are directing your response to me. I have not participated in this thread. As of late I have not been very active on SOT. However, now that you have brought me into the conversation, I will comment.
 
I have no problem with anyone running their business as they see fit. As far as low ball pricing is concerned, whether you can live with it or not depends largely on the region in which you operate. I am not sure how things are done in up state New York. In so far as southern New England is concerned, it is one of the most expensive areas of the country in which to live and operate a business. The problem is exacerbated by the political organization of Connecticut. We have no county government . All land records are recorded in the individual town halls...requiring much travel time on the road. Consequently, the price of gasoline is a major consideration in the pricing of your title search. If someone is charging $25 to $35.00 for a current owner search in this area, he has to be cutting corners somewhere else. What he gives up in the price of an individual search he needs make up in daily volume. In other words in order to cut his price by 50% he needs to double his daily output of work in order to break even. The town halls are open only 8 hours per day with a few exceptions. Some operate on a part time basis. It takes time to drive from one to another. How does one double his daily output of work without sacrificing quality? The time constraints alone do not allow it.

There is a particular business entity that has been critiqued on SOT because of its low pricing and difficult terms of service. I know of at least two searchers in this area that have thrown up their hands in disgust, and rejected further assignments because they could not prossibly provide the requested service at the low rate paid to them.

This was confirmed to me by one of the town clerks recently. She had observed a number of newbie searchers lately in the town of Wolcott, Ct. The town has recently installed a computer (not on line) to store its internal land records. She noticed the newbie searchers rushing in to perform their search on the computer without recourse to the written index, and rushing out the door to their next search. What the newbie searcher failed to consider is that the Town of Wolcott keeps its sewer liens in separate index not included in the computer index. The newbie searcher walked out the door to his next search without even considering the potential for encumbrances in the sewer lien index. The town of Wolcott, Ct is not alone. Because of the way Connecticut is organized, each town has its piculiarities with respect to the way each maintains its land records.

In so far as organizing abstractors into a union or forming their own abstracting/title company to preserve their interests...I have suggested these approaches at various times over the past 18 months. The suggestions met with mixed reviews either because of apathy or the financial inability of the individual searchers to come forward with the capital investment. Consequently, I do not see any remedy to the problem.
The issue will therefore only be rectified through the economic pressure to the market place. It will probably take several years before a determination is made as to whether the cut rate search, outsourced electronic search or the traditional brick and morter search is the most efficient.

In the case of my firm, we have never allowed abstracting to comprise an
unreasonably large portion of revenue. We are in the process of phasing out abstracting even further, and replacing the lost revenue with other more profitable areas of the real estate industry. We still maintain a limited list of abstracting clients who understand that quality costs a little more, and are willing to pay for the difference. We still accept new clients...but on our terms and at our prices.

As with all business in a free enterprise system the most efficient survives. The question is whether efficiency is determined by price or quality of service. If the searcher offering the $25 search can provide a quality product, he has won the game in the best American free enterprise tradition. He has invented the better mouse trap. Those that are unable to compete will need to find better ways to become competitive or find alternate lines of endeavor. Robert recently published an article in which he declared that this business is not longer profitable. He is right. If a searcher is limiting the services he markets to one service alone (abstracting) he is programmed for failure.

I really take offense at your posting. You have misstated my position in this matter.Do not ever condescendingly accuse me of viewing a free market system as an "infringement" on business or a "sour grapes" approach. I do see the death knell of the traditional abstractor approaching, and I have critized the V/M's, title companies and lenders for fostering an environment in which cheap price rather than quality of services was the preferred commodity. My counsel on this board has consistently been for its members to find better ways to compete... value added approach...form their own national/regional title companies...combine their abstracting with other services to lessen the impact of the low ball pricing.

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Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:20:34 AM (2603 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:47:16 PM (2674 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:48:03 PM (2658 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:48:10 PM (2721 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:57:38 PM (2672 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:05:18 AM (2524 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:59:50 PM (2476 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:49:46 PM (2405 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 10:04:56 AM (2581 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 10:31:04 AM (2479 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:03:18 AM (2494 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:14:43 AM (2444 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:06:02 PM (2468 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:17:23 AM (2500 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:27:18 AM (2470 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/16/2005 12:29:43 PM (2432 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 12:39:46 PM (2544 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 1:41:05 PM (2614 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 10:31:49 AM (2518 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/17/2005 11:09:00 AM (2451 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:17:32 PM (2586 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:33:58 PM (2533 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:19:48 PM (2555 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:09:32 PM (2408 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 12:41:27 PM (2497 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:20:17 PM (2450 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2005 1:06:07 AM (2362 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:02:19 PM (2255 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 9:02:14 AM (2399 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:17:41 PM (2262 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:51:15 PM (2225 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:19:19 AM (2211 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:48:33 PM (2212 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 1:10:58 PM (2339 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:18:50 AM (2385 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 11:28:34 AM (2336 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kathleen Krol/PA
12/19/2005 5:40:25 PM (2314 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2006 12:11:07 PM (2108 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:07:48 PM (2211 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:18:52 PM (2166 views)

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12/14/2005 4:25:35 PM (2987 views)


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