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Just had to share! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/20/2005 8:42:47 AM (2193 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/20/2005 11:37:44 AM (2873 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:18:59 PM (2890 views)
Re: Just had to share! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 1:49:39 PM (3033 views)
Re: Just had to share! - TITLE REPORTS PLUS RLE/MD
12/20/2005 3:22:21 PM (2909 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/20/2005 5:24:35 PM (2847 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2005 8:15:58 PM (2924 views)

Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 9:33:30 PM (1727 views)

..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:22:15 PM (2635 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 2:49:46 PM (3117 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:56:42 PM (3169 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 3:06:59 PM (3237 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 3:43:50 PM (3094 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 4:18:48 PM (2901 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/19/2005 5:05:15 PM (3002 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 6:24:59 PM (3054 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 10:11:41 AM (2933 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:15:08 PM (3181 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Wendi See/SC
12/20/2005 9:50:31 PM (3251 views)

Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 1:49:54 PM (3545 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/18/2005 4:43:25 PM (4896 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 8:24:21 AM (3114 views)

NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:27:06 PM (2294 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/17/2005 11:37:17 AM (4934 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:12:44 PM (2982 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 8:28:15 AM (2974 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:47:03 AM (2935 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/23/2005 10:38:33 AM (2929 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2005 11:07:57 AM (2876 views)


Real Title Services


Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:21:44 AM (2304 views)
Re: Home exchange - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:05:32 AM (2790 views)
Re: Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:20:13 AM (2944 views)

Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 10:00:03 AM (2436 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:17:19 AM (2818 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2005 8:25:06 PM (2664 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:44:24 PM (2534 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 3:10:19 PM (2355 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/25/2006 4:47:30 PM (2434 views)
Age stereotyping - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2006 6:08:24 PM (2423 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 10:41:45 PM (2402 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 8:49:11 PM (4635 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/15/2005 9:00:30 PM (2821 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 9:28:17 PM (2470 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:23 AM (2549 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:44:05 AM (2481 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 8:00:24 AM (2400 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Steve Schneider/IN
12/16/2005 9:11:34 AM (2434 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:34:52 AM (2455 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:49 PM (2434 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:14:46 AM (2501 views)

J T

I am not sure why you are directing your response to me. I have not participated in this thread. As of late I have not been very active on SOT. However, now that you have brought me into the conversation, I will comment.
 
I have no problem with anyone running their business as they see fit. As far as low ball pricing is concerned, whether you can live with it or not depends largely on the region in which you operate. I am not sure how things are done in up state New York. In so far as southern New England is concerned, it is one of the most expensive areas of the country in which to live and operate a business. The problem is exacerbated by the political organization of Connecticut. We have no county government . All land records are recorded in the individual town halls...requiring much travel time on the road. Consequently, the price of gasoline is a major consideration in the pricing of your title search. If someone is charging $25 to $35.00 for a current owner search in this area, he has to be cutting corners somewhere else. What he gives up in the price of an individual search he needs make up in daily volume. In other words in order to cut his price by 50% he needs to double his daily output of work in order to break even. The town halls are open only 8 hours per day with a few exceptions. Some operate on a part time basis. It takes time to drive from one to another. How does one double his daily output of work without sacrificing quality? The time constraints alone do not allow it.

There is a particular business entity that has been critiqued on SOT because of its low pricing and difficult terms of service. I know of at least two searchers in this area that have thrown up their hands in disgust, and rejected further assignments because they could not prossibly provide the requested service at the low rate paid to them.

This was confirmed to me by one of the town clerks recently. She had observed a number of newbie searchers lately in the town of Wolcott, Ct. The town has recently installed a computer (not on line) to store its internal land records. She noticed the newbie searchers rushing in to perform their search on the computer without recourse to the written index, and rushing out the door to their next search. What the newbie searcher failed to consider is that the Town of Wolcott keeps its sewer liens in separate index not included in the computer index. The newbie searcher walked out the door to his next search without even considering the potential for encumbrances in the sewer lien index. The town of Wolcott, Ct is not alone. Because of the way Connecticut is organized, each town has its piculiarities with respect to the way each maintains its land records.

In so far as organizing abstractors into a union or forming their own abstracting/title company to preserve their interests...I have suggested these approaches at various times over the past 18 months. The suggestions met with mixed reviews either because of apathy or the financial inability of the individual searchers to come forward with the capital investment. Consequently, I do not see any remedy to the problem.
The issue will therefore only be rectified through the economic pressure to the market place. It will probably take several years before a determination is made as to whether the cut rate search, outsourced electronic search or the traditional brick and morter search is the most efficient.

In the case of my firm, we have never allowed abstracting to comprise an
unreasonably large portion of revenue. We are in the process of phasing out abstracting even further, and replacing the lost revenue with other more profitable areas of the real estate industry. We still maintain a limited list of abstracting clients who understand that quality costs a little more, and are willing to pay for the difference. We still accept new clients...but on our terms and at our prices.

As with all business in a free enterprise system the most efficient survives. The question is whether efficiency is determined by price or quality of service. If the searcher offering the $25 search can provide a quality product, he has won the game in the best American free enterprise tradition. He has invented the better mouse trap. Those that are unable to compete will need to find better ways to become competitive or find alternate lines of endeavor. Robert recently published an article in which he declared that this business is not longer profitable. He is right. If a searcher is limiting the services he markets to one service alone (abstracting) he is programmed for failure.

I really take offense at your posting. You have misstated my position in this matter.Do not ever condescendingly accuse me of viewing a free market system as an "infringement" on business or a "sour grapes" approach. I do see the death knell of the traditional abstractor approaching, and I have critized the V/M's, title companies and lenders for fostering an environment in which cheap price rather than quality of services was the preferred commodity. My counsel on this board has consistently been for its members to find better ways to compete... value added approach...form their own national/regional title companies...combine their abstracting with other services to lessen the impact of the low ball pricing.

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Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:20:34 AM (2449 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:47:16 PM (2567 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:48:03 PM (2514 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:48:10 PM (2571 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:57:38 PM (2520 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:05:18 AM (2373 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:59:50 PM (2333 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:49:46 PM (2298 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 10:04:56 AM (2419 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 10:31:04 AM (2363 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:03:18 AM (2378 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:14:43 AM (2341 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:06:02 PM (2325 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:17:23 AM (2357 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:27:18 AM (2371 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/16/2005 12:29:43 PM (2328 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 12:39:46 PM (2439 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 1:41:05 PM (2472 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 10:31:49 AM (2358 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/17/2005 11:09:00 AM (2294 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:17:32 PM (2449 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:33:58 PM (2424 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:19:48 PM (2401 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:09:32 PM (2290 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 12:41:27 PM (2358 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:20:17 PM (2339 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2005 1:06:07 AM (2253 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:02:19 PM (2154 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 9:02:14 AM (2299 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:17:41 PM (2156 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:51:15 PM (2119 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:19:19 AM (2087 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:48:33 PM (2116 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 1:10:58 PM (2191 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:18:50 AM (2234 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 11:28:34 AM (2191 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kathleen Krol/PA
12/19/2005 5:40:25 PM (2158 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2006 12:11:07 PM (1990 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:07:48 PM (2106 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:18:52 PM (2008 views)

American Legal and Financial Network, First American, Old Republic... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/14/2005 4:25:35 PM (2956 views)

Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/13/2005 4:20:09 PM (2405 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/14/2005 7:19:18 AM (2867 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/14/2005 9:10:29 AM (2892 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/15/2005 7:46:20 AM (2693 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 8:47:58 AM (2790 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 9:40:48 AM (2947 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 9:55:01 AM (2884 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:03:34 AM (2815 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 9:05:01 AM (2727 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 9:08:55 AM (2700 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:21:31 AM (2792 views)

Shipping Costs - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/13/2005 12:28:15 PM (2310 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Deborah Manion/VA
12/13/2005 2:16:47 PM (2972 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Robert Breakell/CT
12/13/2005 5:38:14 PM (2817 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Steve Schneider/IN
12/13/2005 5:43:45 PM (2972 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Steve Schneider/IN
12/13/2005 5:45:01 PM (2986 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Steve Schneider/IN
12/13/2005 5:45:24 PM (2682 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/13/2005 6:19:39 PM (2645 views)

Share a Holiday Recipe - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/8/2005 1:51:37 PM (2362 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 8:27:09 PM (2793 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 8:31:24 PM (2692 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Robert Franco/OH
12/8/2005 11:53:39 PM (2921 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
12/9/2005 12:34:44 AM (2843 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/8/2005 9:21:53 PM (2893 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/12/2005 7:18:07 PM (2885 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/12/2005 7:18:16 PM (2901 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Tammy Knight/MO
12/12/2005 11:58:42 PM (2978 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - The King's Kid/PA
12/12/2005 7:31:06 PM (2856 views)

Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/7/2005 8:07:49 PM (3330 views)
Re: Cookies - Scott Perry/PA
12/7/2005 10:26:54 PM (2827 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/7/2005 11:23:34 PM (2727 views)
Re: Cookies - Tammy Knight/MO
12/8/2005 1:00:04 AM (2749 views)
Re: Cookies - Scott Perry/PA
12/8/2005 7:12:21 AM (2817 views)
Re: Cookies - Jay Duncan/MO
12/8/2005 7:54:37 AM (2975 views)
Re: Cookies - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/8/2005 12:47:43 PM (2838 views)
Re: Cookies - Katrina Harris/GA
12/8/2005 3:15:39 PM (2881 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 8:21:41 PM (2835 views)
Re: Cookies - Kelli Gorman/TX
12/11/2005 1:41:11 PM (2808 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/11/2005 6:31:17 PM (2920 views)
Re: Cookies - Scott Perry/PA
12/11/2005 6:36:11 PM (2839 views)
Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 8:15:28 PM (2812 views)
Re: Cookies - Tammy Elliott/WA
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Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
12/9/2005 12:40:49 AM (2769 views)

Stories - J Nisonger/CA
12/7/2005 7:00:26 PM (2306 views)
Re: Stories - monica froese/ME
12/7/2005 11:08:19 PM (2992 views)
Re: Stories - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Stories - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/8/2005 12:06:29 AM (2739 views)
Re: Stories - Tammy Knight/MO
12/8/2005 12:58:21 AM (2649 views)
Re: Stories - Deborah Manion/VA
12/8/2005 11:30:59 AM (2776 views)
Re: Stories - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Stories - Kelli Gorman/TX
12/16/2005 8:56:59 AM (2682 views)
Re: Stories - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/16/2005 6:20:05 PM (2750 views)
Re: Stories - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 7:17:40 PM (2634 views)

Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/7/2005 1:07:01 PM (2232 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Rachel Malone/PA
12/7/2005 9:58:10 PM (2823 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Scott Perry/PA
12/7/2005 10:24:27 PM (2818 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/7/2005 11:47:18 PM (2764 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Tammy Knight/MO
12/8/2005 12:53:48 AM (2696 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Rachel Malone/PA
12/8/2005 7:30:11 AM (2810 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - David Bloys/TX
12/8/2005 9:53:30 AM (2862 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/8/2005 11:10:15 AM (2770 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 9:15:17 PM (2739 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/9/2005 7:58:43 AM (2683 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 9:38:37 PM (2785 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - David Bloys/TX
12/9/2005 10:02:03 AM (2770 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
12/9/2005 7:18:17 PM (2681 views)

Early Registration Extended to Dec. 14th - Jay Duncan/MO
12/6/2005 3:21:57 PM (3398 views)
Re: Early Registration Extended to Dec. 14th - Robert Franco/OH
12/6/2005 4:06:12 PM (2652 views)


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