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Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
10/24/2005 12:06:20 AM (3262 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/26/2005 9:31:29 AM (5988 views)

Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/23/2005 10:43:57 PM (4456 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/23/2005 10:48:42 PM (5843 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Langdon Knight/MO
10/24/2005 1:26:33 AM (5720 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Deborah Manion/VA
10/24/2005 9:20:18 AM (6162 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 11:23:40 AM (6108 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 9:33:41 PM (6100 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:45:40 PM (6081 views)

Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 3:38:08 PM (3401 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 4:15:36 PM (5979 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 4:23:57 PM (6071 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2005 4:54:04 PM (6307 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/23/2005 3:54:46 PM (6313 views)

Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:35:01 AM (4581 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/21/2005 6:07:31 PM (6248 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 6:23:54 PM (6244 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:14:44 PM (6173 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/21/2005 9:38:21 PM (6046 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/22/2005 8:06:58 AM (6355 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 10:35:54 AM (6321 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/22/2005 11:57:06 AM (6272 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 12:01:35 PM (6223 views)

research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 4:54:52 AM (3630 views)
Re: research time? - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 8:07:53 AM (7029 views)
Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 12:44:12 PM (6952 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 11:38:23 AM (8421 views)
Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 1:04:37 PM (7026 views)
Re: research time? - Phyllis Agan/GA
10/28/2005 8:30:14 AM (6663 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 12:13:25 PM (6856 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:57 PM (6911 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 1:08:11 PM (6898 views)
Re: research time? - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:04:35 PM (6627 views)


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QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 9:55:01 PM (3664 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - James "Lin" Toney/MS
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Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: QUICK POLL - NPC/GA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Kim Cowles/WI
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Re: QUICK POLL - Wanda Steudel/OH
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Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
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Re: QUICK POLL - John OConnor/IL
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Re: QUICK POLL - Michaela Urban/OH
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Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 1:08:40 PM (6600 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
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THANKS, EVERYONE! - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 5:22:43 PM (6425 views)
Re: THANKS, EVERYONE! - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 5:51:06 PM (6404 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wendi See/SC
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Re: QUICK POLL - Tammy Knight/MO
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Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:29:25 AM (7871 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: QUICK POLL - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: QUICK POLL - Phyllis Agan/GA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Jacqueline Quaresimo/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Bill Jones/NJ
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Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:23:52 PM (6136 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/25/2005 6:11:22 PM (6063 views)

This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3688 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2005 10:44:27 AM (6387 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
10/18/2005 12:21:30 PM (6392 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 7:02:55 PM (8001 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 7:48:12 PM (6239 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 10:06:16 PM (6228 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 11:16:17 PM (6267 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (6390 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (7848 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 10:59:30 AM (6196 views)

Patrick,
Thank you for this well thought out post. In some ways you have clarified my thoughts.
On-line access hurts our business.  It allows a VM to bypass us on the simple work and only send us the work that they can't accomplish on their own
I agree. But not all VM's do this or accept it. Some VM's have come to realize that online access threatens their greatest asset. An asset they have spent years to develop, promote and expand. A VM's exclusive network of independent local abstractors is the greater benefit they offer their clients. Online records threaten the VM's as much as they threaten independent local abstractors.

VM's I have spoken with are as much against online publication of the records as I am and for the same reasons. Many have told their abstractors not to use online sources and some even put this mandate on their orders. Their reasons are not always stated but it is clear they do not want abstractors to use this "tool".

I"ve seen posts here on SOT indicating E&O is denied to those using online sources. The providers concern is the accuracy of the source which cannot be verified until it is too late. Online sites exclude themselves from any responsibilty for accuracy, timeliness or reliability. Statutes deny this disclaimer for the records held at the courthouse. Searching online is an error that may not be covered by your E&O.

But boycotting its available value while it's here is, I think, senseless
I haven't called for any boycott Patrick. Our clients,  E&O providers, and many legislators are.

I don't think, however, that lumping malevalent use of on-line records with legitimate use is productive.
I didn't lump them together Patrick. The Internet and those who publish the records online do. Some claim they separate them with passwords but it is a very ineffective separation. Choicepoint made this claim but it was laughably easy to circumvent. Even the most diligent password protection is nothing more than a padlock on a paper box. If it's on the Web it's available to every malevalent or legitimate user with a computer connection.

In some cases, on-line records are actually better than the official courthouse records.  One might be better off purchasing title plant records on-line than visiting a courthouse where the records are mismanaged and/or widely misposted.
This is also true. Only a local abstractor and the online company would know. Local abstractors can make this claim but they do so at their own risk if it is counter to the claim made in the online companies TOS or disclaimer. Your report cannot be more or less accurate than your source. If a claim is made, the abstractors report will be checked against the records at the courthouse.

Fact is, David, our fee for a current owner search in our home county is higher than yours is in your home county.
I'm not concerned about the fees you charge. You are not my competition Patrick. My fees are based on the time and difficulty of the search in any particular county and I am certain yours are too. You have no access to the courthouses in my area and only one county provides online access to some of it's records. You shouldn't concern yourself with my fees either. While I could provide my services in your area as both you and John have assured me the online records are even better than those offered at your local courthouse. I would consider it unethical on my part to invade your business via the Internet. You made this same assurance to the $25 abstractor looking for accurate online sources and to foreign outsource companies looking for more U.S. records to exploit. Both monitor this site and now they can reassure their clients of your endorsement.

If you want your voice to be heard by those who have the power to make changes that will benefit our industry, a unified voice is necessary. 
My voice is being heard Patrick by those who tell me they have the power to make changes. I consult with legislators, government officials, law enforcement agencies, reporters, and associations at local, state and federal levels. I assist them in their own investigations and provide them with information they need to protect their citizens. At first, I had to go to them but now many are coming to me. Last week I was contacted by two federal agencies, eleven county officials, two attorneys, and two technology firms. They learned about my efforts  from officials and legislators as far away as Michigan and Alaska. I think my voice is being heard by those who can and are affecting change.

I didn't take your comments personally Patrick. Well, actually I did take the complimentary ones personally. :) I want you and John to know also I meant no disrespect of your company. While I responded to Johns post, my reference to "naivity" and "blind greed" was not intended to be directed at him or you personally. The blind greed reference was intended for those who make the records available online for a profit and those who buy their way into your market through online access. Neither of these groups have any respect for your company.

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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 12:18:39 PM (6269 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:30:26 PM (6414 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:34:20 PM (6214 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:20:15 PM (6237 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:48:49 AM (6269 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 11:13:59 AM (6171 views)
Re: Oh, One More Thing, David... - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - george Hubka/MI
10/27/2005 8:43:35 PM (5630 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Jeanne Mendes/CA
10/27/2005 1:50:55 AM (5939 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/28/2005 8:53:09 AM (5980 views)

New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2005 4:50:18 PM (3598 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 5:20:20 PM (6036 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Iris Buchman/FL
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Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
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Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
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Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 8:01:03 AM (6000 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 8:05:39 AM (6118 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 11:55:28 AM (6045 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:10:49 PM (6011 views)

LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:22:31 PM (3574 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Iris Buchman/FL
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Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
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Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:18:06 PM (3396 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 10:40:01 PM (5826 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Kim Cowles/FL
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Re: Okay, another question. - Bo Hope/AR
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Re: Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:13:32 PM (6002 views)

Fed up! - Spencer Kinsey/AR
10/15/2005 12:36:11 PM (3490 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 3:56:17 PM (5927 views)

indexing - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: indexing - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
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Re: indexing - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
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STUCK ON "STUPID" - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: indexing - Larry Crooks/OH
10/17/2005 3:34:21 PM (5856 views)

Questions about VMC's - Donna Grady/NC
10/14/2005 10:32:19 PM (2706 views)

Anyone heard of this company.... - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Anyone heard of this company.... - Kurt deVries/FL
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A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: A word about prices... - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: A word about prices... - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: A word about prices... - Scott Perry/PA
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