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This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3754 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2005 10:44:27 AM (6534 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
10/18/2005 12:21:30 PM (6529 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 7:02:55 PM (8133 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 7:48:12 PM (6367 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 10:06:16 PM (6342 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 11:16:17 PM (6383 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (6504 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (7985 views)

David,

I think that your fierce opposition to exploitation of on-line records by thieves and foreigners may be clouding your view of the emerging realities of this business.  I think that most of us who produce abstracts share your concern.  I know that I do.  There is another reason to hate on-line records -- one that is not as often mentioned as the quality issues and the identity theft dangers, all valid issues:  On-line access hurts our business.  It allows a VM to bypass us on the simple work and only send us the work that they can't accomplish on their own.

I have known John OConnor for 16 years and have worked for his company for 9 of them.  I can say with some confidence that your remarks about "being taken in" by on-line access and "naivety or short-sighted greed" are way off of the mark.

John's company took an enormous hit when our home county went on-line.  The revenue lost from just one VM was staggering.  Walking the three blocks to the recorder's office is certainly no hardship, so you can see why it would be in the company's best interest for on-line access to vanish, even if it does provide us with some conveniences.

In some cases, on-line records are actually better than the official courthouse records.  One might be better off purchasing title plant records on-line than visiting a courthouse where the records are mismanaged and/or widely misposted.  Consider:  Most Clerks/Recorders/Registrars offices are run by polititions who know or care little about this industry.  Often the position is used as a stepping stone to a higher office.  Title plants are run by people who know and have a vested interest in the industry (with the possible exception of those companies in India that I have been reading alot about lately).  If using title plant records on-line (of equal or greater quality than the courthouse records) happens to be more cost-effective and efficient than driving 100 miles to complete 1 or 2 orders, then a wise business person would regard the option as a viable, available tool.

Using on-line records and document access, in conjunction with on-site records, can also offer an opportunity to cross-reference and pick up instruments misposted in one or the other set of records, or may offer an opportunity to search records in a more efficient manner.  Searching through separate books for each type of instrument is probably the least efficient method ever devised of searching land records.  Title plants have for years posted information by legal description, reducing the chances that the instruments that you seek will be lost in a sea of names. 

As to the cut-throat pricing, John's company does not engage in the practice.  I know this to be true because I am the one who sets the prices in most cases.  We have been forced to lower prices from time to time, I will concede.  But this has always been reactionary to the market and not to lowball business away from our fellow abstractors.  Fact is, David, our fee for a current owner search in our home county is higher than yours is in your home county.

I have been reading your posts in this forum for long enough to know that you are not one to sit around and whine when things happen to affect you and your business adversely, David.  You, perhaps more than anybody else who contributes here, get up and do something about it.  I don't think, however, that lumping malevalent use of on-line records with legitimate use is productive.  They are separate issues completely.  If on-line access goes away, I will be right there with you cheering its demise.  So will John, I would bet.  But boycotting its available value while it's here is, I think, senseless.

If you want your voice to be heard by those who have the power to make changes that will benefit our industry, a unified voice is necessary.  There is power in numbers.  A couple of years ago, some people who were posting on this site at the time made a tremendous effort to provide that power through NALTEA.  Perhaps if more of us who spend so much time lamenting our business woes on SOT would join together in this organization to create the power of numbers, rather than sit around and wait for others to do it, we could have some positive effect on the industry and, thus, our own careers. 

Again, David, I know that you are one of the doers, one of the volunteers, that make this country great.  This is not personal.





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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 10:59:30 AM (6326 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 12:18:39 PM (6388 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 2:54:56 PM (6155 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 7:15:04 PM (6161 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:30:26 PM (6547 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:34:20 PM (6373 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:20:15 PM (6348 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:48:49 AM (6394 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 11:13:59 AM (6296 views)
Re: Oh, One More Thing, David... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:53:34 PM (6181 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - george Hubka/MI
10/27/2005 8:43:35 PM (5759 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Jeanne Mendes/CA
10/27/2005 1:50:55 AM (6088 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/28/2005 8:53:09 AM (6099 views)

New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2005 4:50:18 PM (3677 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 5:20:20 PM (6201 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/17/2005 6:03:20 PM (5886 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:03:31 PM (6124 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/18/2005 8:08:51 AM (6394 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:05:08 PM (6280 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 7:47:53 AM (6155 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 8:01:03 AM (6162 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 8:05:39 AM (6259 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 11:55:28 AM (6217 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:10:49 PM (6153 views)

LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:22:31 PM (3657 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:02:25 PM (6085 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/30/2005 2:53:02 AM (5684 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
11/8/2005 3:38:02 PM (5619 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
11/21/2005 11:17:57 AM (5541 views)

Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:18:06 PM (3465 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 10:40:01 PM (5966 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Kim Cowles/FL
10/17/2005 11:27:03 AM (6141 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Bo Hope/AR
10/17/2005 6:25:38 PM (6248 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:13:32 PM (6154 views)

Fed up! - Spencer Kinsey/AR
10/15/2005 12:36:11 PM (3547 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/15/2005 5:48:16 PM (5774 views)
Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/16/2005 4:30:53 PM (5780 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/16/2005 4:54:24 PM (5812 views)
Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 12:16:19 PM (6106 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 3:56:17 PM (6051 views)




indexing - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/15/2005 12:31:46 PM (3313 views)
Re: indexing - Scott Perry/PA
10/15/2005 3:07:59 PM (5763 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 6:40:24 PM (5634 views)
Re: indexing - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2005 8:05:07 PM (5609 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 11:18:03 PM (5561 views)
STUCK ON "STUPID" - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 1:06:12 PM (5615 views)
Re: indexing - Larry Crooks/OH
10/17/2005 3:34:21 PM (5979 views)

Questions about VMC's - Donna Grady/NC
10/14/2005 10:32:19 PM (2744 views)

Anyone heard of this company.... - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 1:16:42 PM (3501 views)
Re: Anyone heard of this company.... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:12:30 PM (6211 views)

A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 5:40:44 PM (3873 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2005 9:39:16 AM (5780 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Robert Breakell/CT
10/14/2005 9:50:44 AM (5841 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2005 12:03:18 PM (5853 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Scott Perry/PA
10/14/2005 5:24:10 PM (5775 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Bo Hope/AR
10/16/2005 1:55:51 AM (5750 views)

Here's my rant - Loretta Reed/MD
10/13/2005 11:05:00 AM (3247 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Iris Buchman/FL
10/13/2005 4:50:59 PM (5764 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2005 9:36:24 AM (5758 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Jay Duncan/MO
10/14/2005 1:44:49 PM (5755 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Matt Papsch/MD
10/13/2005 5:35:02 PM (5682 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 11:47:19 AM (5906 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2005 12:12:08 PM (5716 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Wendi See/SC
10/15/2005 10:24:17 PM (5688 views)

Refaxing - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/12/2005 2:14:31 PM (3253 views)
Re: Refaxing - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
10/12/2005 3:00:22 PM (5578 views)
Re: Refaxing - Robert Franco/OH
10/12/2005 3:28:29 PM (9138 views)
Re: Refaxing - Larry Crooks/OH
10/13/2005 8:45:13 AM (5619 views)
Re: Refaxing - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/13/2005 11:38:05 AM (6318 views)
Re: Refaxing - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/14/2005 9:55:23 AM (5608 views)
Re: Refaxing - Kelly Chamblee/OH
10/13/2005 1:37:01 PM (5611 views)
Re: Refaxing - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 2:38:26 PM (5661 views)
Re: Refaxing - Susan Matson/MN
10/17/2005 9:31:57 AM (5938 views)

Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:49:24 AM (3160 views)
Re: Rant! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/12/2005 2:02:22 PM (5411 views)
Re: Rant! - Robert Franco/OH
10/12/2005 3:11:23 PM (5465 views)
Re: Rant! - Scott Perry/PA
10/12/2005 6:03:33 PM (5329 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/12/2005 5:06:42 PM (5356 views)
Re: Rant! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
10/12/2005 8:21:41 PM (5340 views)
Re: Rant! - Scott Perry/PA
10/12/2005 10:02:17 PM (5336 views)
Re: Rant! - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 12:26:35 AM (5371 views)
Re: Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/13/2005 1:22:50 AM (5353 views)
Re: Rant! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/14/2005 10:02:18 AM (5358 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2005 12:29:44 PM (5239 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2005 12:48:29 PM (5286 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/13/2005 4:56:56 AM (5212 views)
Re: Rant! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/13/2005 4:44:01 PM (5271 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2005 8:06:47 AM (5296 views)
Re: Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:08:48 PM (5317 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 8:21:44 AM (5666 views)

Erevna? - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:28:49 AM (3254 views)
Re: Erevna? - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:29:48 AM (5237 views)
Re: Erevna? - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:15:26 PM (5512 views)

United Document Services of East Northport - JENNIFER HOLZMAN/PA
10/11/2005 1:24:41 PM (3157 views)
Re: United Document Services of East Northport - Scott Perry/PA
10/11/2005 7:24:54 PM (5221 views)

Abstractor Educational Workshops!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/7/2005 8:06:03 AM (3734 views)


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