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C2C - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/27/2005 5:02:32 PM (3336 views)
Re: C2C - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: C2C - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/27/2005 6:57:18 PM (6077 views)
Re: C2C - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: C2C - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/30/2005 11:02:38 AM (5723 views)
Re: C2C - Jan Forster/NC
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Re: C2C - Barbara Bennett/IN
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The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
10/27/2005 3:04:25 PM (4003 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
10/27/2005 5:01:27 PM (5832 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - george Hubka/MI
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: The Future of the Industry - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
10/28/2005 9:04:13 AM (6169 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
10/28/2005 11:55:35 AM (6250 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/30/2005 3:36:45 AM (5779 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Scott Perry/PA
10/30/2005 8:28:20 AM (5592 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
10/30/2005 4:15:44 PM (7974 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/31/2005 11:18:07 AM (5738 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/31/2005 6:53:37 PM (5724 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/1/2005 10:00:35 AM (5705 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/1/2005 11:33:33 PM (5716 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - J Nisonger/CA
11/2/2005 4:42:30 AM (5654 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/2/2005 9:41:53 AM (7518 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 3:15:16 AM (5744 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 10:08:57 AM (7571 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
11/3/2005 10:51:28 AM (5795 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 11:05:37 AM (5639 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Patrick Scott/IL
11/3/2005 12:09:46 PM (5632 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 12:58:57 PM (5599 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Patrick Scott/IL
11/3/2005 1:51:58 PM (5687 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 2:16:46 PM (5557 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:31:39 PM (5655 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:31:40 PM (5625 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:34:10 PM (5678 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
11/3/2005 5:09:11 PM (5633 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:42:30 PM (5521 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
11/3/2005 6:01:28 PM (5479 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 6:29:59 PM (5592 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Douglas Gallant/OH
11/3/2005 6:52:44 PM (5646 views)

Electronic storage - Deborah Manion/VA
10/27/2005 9:58:43 AM (3276 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Jay Duncan/MO
10/27/2005 10:16:46 AM (8274 views)
Re: Electronic storage - David Bloys/TX
10/27/2005 12:10:20 PM (8404 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Robert Franco/OH
10/27/2005 12:10:48 PM (8171 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Jay Duncan/MO
10/27/2005 12:17:05 PM (6134 views)
Re: Electronic storage - David Bloys/TX
10/27/2005 12:24:20 PM (6022 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Robert Franco/OH
10/27/2005 1:05:46 PM (8489 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Deborah Manion/VA
10/27/2005 3:58:05 PM (5835 views)

Starting your own business - Angela Glass/MD
10/25/2005 8:49:48 PM (3408 views)
Re: Starting your own business - Jay Duncan/MO
10/25/2005 9:10:51 PM (8164 views)
Re: Starting your own business - Loretta Reed/MD
10/26/2005 8:18:36 AM (6313 views)
Re: Starting your own business - Angela Glass/MD
10/26/2005 9:05:53 AM (6141 views)
Re: Starting your own business - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/26/2005 11:24:06 AM (6273 views)
Re: Starting your own business - Kurt deVries/FL
10/26/2005 3:40:05 PM (6194 views)
Re: Starting your own business - george Hubka/MI
10/27/2005 8:31:07 PM (6150 views)
Re: Starting your own business - Kurt deVries/FL
10/28/2005 11:26:19 AM (6073 views)

Passing... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/24/2005 3:24:08 PM (3431 views)
Re: Passing... - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 5:07:51 PM (6075 views)
Re: Passing... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/25/2005 11:04:13 AM (6094 views)




Abstractors Aid In New Orleans' Recovery - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
10/24/2005 10:19:12 AM (4470 views)
Re: Abstractors Aid In New Orleans' Recovery - Heather St. Amant/LA
11/14/2005 7:59:00 PM (5600 views)
Re: Abstractors Aid In New Orleans' Recovery - James "Lin" Toney/MS
11/14/2005 9:16:55 PM (5752 views)

Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
10/24/2005 12:06:20 AM (3420 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/24/2005 9:37:58 AM (6456 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
10/25/2005 10:43:14 PM (6363 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/26/2005 9:31:29 AM (6428 views)

Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/23/2005 10:43:57 PM (4605 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/23/2005 10:48:42 PM (6263 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Langdon Knight/MO
10/24/2005 1:26:33 AM (6164 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Deborah Manion/VA
10/24/2005 9:20:18 AM (6568 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 11:23:40 AM (6548 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 9:33:41 PM (6535 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:45:40 PM (6502 views)

Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 3:38:08 PM (3538 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 4:15:36 PM (6374 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 4:23:57 PM (6458 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2005 4:54:04 PM (6703 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/23/2005 3:54:46 PM (6702 views)

Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:35:01 AM (4738 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/21/2005 6:07:31 PM (6667 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 6:23:54 PM (6675 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:14:44 PM (6611 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/21/2005 9:38:21 PM (6493 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/22/2005 8:06:58 AM (6784 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 10:35:54 AM (6749 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/22/2005 11:57:06 AM (6699 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 12:01:35 PM (6655 views)

research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 4:54:52 AM (3756 views)
Re: research time? - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 8:07:53 AM (7450 views)
Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 12:44:12 PM (7445 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 11:38:23 AM (8895 views)
Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 1:04:37 PM (7478 views)
Re: research time? - Phyllis Agan/GA
10/28/2005 8:30:14 AM (7125 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 12:13:25 PM (7245 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:57 PM (7363 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 1:08:11 PM (7326 views)
Re: research time? - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:04:35 PM (7095 views)

QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 9:55:01 PM (3829 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - James "Lin" Toney/MS
10/19/2005 11:29:36 PM (6952 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:37 AM (6944 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - NPC/GA
10/20/2005 7:03:23 AM (7025 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rachel Malone/PA
10/20/2005 7:48:08 AM (7051 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kim Cowles/WI
10/20/2005 8:29:16 AM (6987 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Deborah Manion/VA
10/20/2005 9:37:31 AM (7020 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wanda Steudel/OH
10/20/2005 9:38:52 AM (6723 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 10:21:32 AM (6810 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 10:37:13 AM (6877 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - John OConnor/IL
10/20/2005 10:43:36 AM (6841 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 10:46:43 AM (6889 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:55:00 AM (6940 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 1:08:40 PM (7011 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 1:26:50 PM (6636 views)
THANKS, EVERYONE! - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 5:22:43 PM (6811 views)
Re: THANKS, EVERYONE! - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 5:51:06 PM (6833 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wendi See/SC
10/20/2005 10:26:17 PM (6734 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Tammy Knight/MO
10/20/2005 11:37:10 PM (6590 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 3:15:39 PM (6695 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: QUICK POLL - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: QUICK POLL - Phyllis Agan/GA
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Re: QUICK POLL - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Lisa Scherer/NJ
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Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3822 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 10:06:16 PM (6616 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 11:16:17 PM (6686 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (6791 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (8283 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 10:59:30 AM (6593 views)

Patrick,
Thank you for this well thought out post. In some ways you have clarified my thoughts.
On-line access hurts our business.  It allows a VM to bypass us on the simple work and only send us the work that they can't accomplish on their own
I agree. But not all VM's do this or accept it. Some VM's have come to realize that online access threatens their greatest asset. An asset they have spent years to develop, promote and expand. A VM's exclusive network of independent local abstractors is the greater benefit they offer their clients. Online records threaten the VM's as much as they threaten independent local abstractors.

VM's I have spoken with are as much against online publication of the records as I am and for the same reasons. Many have told their abstractors not to use online sources and some even put this mandate on their orders. Their reasons are not always stated but it is clear they do not want abstractors to use this "tool".

I"ve seen posts here on SOT indicating E&O is denied to those using online sources. The providers concern is the accuracy of the source which cannot be verified until it is too late. Online sites exclude themselves from any responsibilty for accuracy, timeliness or reliability. Statutes deny this disclaimer for the records held at the courthouse. Searching online is an error that may not be covered by your E&O.

But boycotting its available value while it's here is, I think, senseless
I haven't called for any boycott Patrick. Our clients,  E&O providers, and many legislators are.

I don't think, however, that lumping malevalent use of on-line records with legitimate use is productive.
I didn't lump them together Patrick. The Internet and those who publish the records online do. Some claim they separate them with passwords but it is a very ineffective separation. Choicepoint made this claim but it was laughably easy to circumvent. Even the most diligent password protection is nothing more than a padlock on a paper box. If it's on the Web it's available to every malevalent or legitimate user with a computer connection.

In some cases, on-line records are actually better than the official courthouse records.  One might be better off purchasing title plant records on-line than visiting a courthouse where the records are mismanaged and/or widely misposted.
This is also true. Only a local abstractor and the online company would know. Local abstractors can make this claim but they do so at their own risk if it is counter to the claim made in the online companies TOS or disclaimer. Your report cannot be more or less accurate than your source. If a claim is made, the abstractors report will be checked against the records at the courthouse.

Fact is, David, our fee for a current owner search in our home county is higher than yours is in your home county.
I'm not concerned about the fees you charge. You are not my competition Patrick. My fees are based on the time and difficulty of the search in any particular county and I am certain yours are too. You have no access to the courthouses in my area and only one county provides online access to some of it's records. You shouldn't concern yourself with my fees either. While I could provide my services in your area as both you and John have assured me the online records are even better than those offered at your local courthouse. I would consider it unethical on my part to invade your business via the Internet. You made this same assurance to the $25 abstractor looking for accurate online sources and to foreign outsource companies looking for more U.S. records to exploit. Both monitor this site and now they can reassure their clients of your endorsement.

If you want your voice to be heard by those who have the power to make changes that will benefit our industry, a unified voice is necessary. 
My voice is being heard Patrick by those who tell me they have the power to make changes. I consult with legislators, government officials, law enforcement agencies, reporters, and associations at local, state and federal levels. I assist them in their own investigations and provide them with information they need to protect their citizens. At first, I had to go to them but now many are coming to me. Last week I was contacted by two federal agencies, eleven county officials, two attorneys, and two technology firms. They learned about my efforts  from officials and legislators as far away as Michigan and Alaska. I think my voice is being heard by those who can and are affecting change.

I didn't take your comments personally Patrick. Well, actually I did take the complimentary ones personally. :) I want you and John to know also I meant no disrespect of your company. While I responded to Johns post, my reference to "naivity" and "blind greed" was not intended to be directed at him or you personally. The blind greed reference was intended for those who make the records available online for a profit and those who buy their way into your market through online access. Neither of these groups have any respect for your company.

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New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
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