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Another call from India... - Robert Franco/OH
9/19/2005 10:41:21 AM (2598 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:32 AM (3614 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
9/19/2005 11:55:25 AM (3494 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Joshua Lonon/SC
9/19/2005 3:47:32 PM (3492 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Jay Duncan/MO
9/19/2005 4:22:06 PM (3459 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ellen Malloy/MO
9/19/2005 8:20:32 PM (3487 views)

Robert....

In the last six months, we have gotten three calls and two emails from Indian Outsourcing Companies.  The last one was an email today from "Infinity" claiming to provide 5-16 hour service on all their products on every county in the United States.  They work "24-7" and utilize DataTrace and DataTree...plus some other data providers I didn't recognize.  I hesitate being judgmental - but it is very difficult to understand how they can offer searches, etc without knowledgeable turncoats from this country. Tri County Abstract Inc utilizes Data Trace and Data Tree - but only because it started out as another entity in the counties I serviced - and I was drug screaming and kicking into the "Joint Venture".  Once it became a joint venture, I set about computerizing the county data we had in our office already as a backup - the St Louis County data from the Recorder's office - and using St Louis City's Laredo program to back up the city.  The daily recordings from both of those counties are sent directly to India by First American/Data Trace  - which is then indexed into their database.  I have to be truthful and say that the reliability of Data Trace has spiralled in recent years since that implementation.

Even with those Databases available to us - a trip to the Courthouse is still necessary for judgments.  We have an onsite plant going back to 1973; but anything prior to that must either be researched at the recorder's office or at the title plant facility where DataTrace is now operating. So to provide a complete search, you need access to older information that is just not online.  Data Tree is lacking many documents and far from completion - the copies only go back to 1985, if that far. We make the large majority of copies ourselves.

   I learned many years back that one needs to keep all possibilities open and not rely on one data provider.  Much like a monopolizing utility company - when there are no options - there is no freedom of choice. First American is one of my better clients;  and I don't mean to criticize.  But it would seem to me that a company with the name of "First American" should be the last one to provide access to countries outside of our own.  I think many people on this board are hesitant to speak out about it, as I was, but unless there is an effort somewhere to stop this attempt at monopolization of all phases of the title industry - all of us will be looking for a job and to work for First American; would need to move to India.

   These databases have accumulated years of data from companies in existence for years and years....here it was Land Title, a company whose inhouse indexing goes back to the mid 1800's.  The computer plant is only back to 1985.  The First American/DataTrace entity here approaches title agents with a special program where the title is ordered thru First American and then insured thru First American.  Their fees are higher; but supposedly since they run the title - there will be no problem if a claim arises.  There is something inherantly wrong with a system that allows that; let alone pushes it.  And any agent who believes they have a non-compete with the local First American is sitting on on their head.  The local First American is hidden underneath the agent's paper.  No wonder companies are flipping like dolphins here in St Louis. 

That's just my local story.  Like I said, First American is a client of mine - one not located in the St Louis area.  And I am truly torn between wanting Data Trace and Data Tree to remain available - and wanting to stop the outsourcing of bulk documents out of this country.  Computerization is a necessary evil that we have to contend with.  But I can assure you - the reliability of any title coming from India is not worth the paper it is written on.  Too many glitches in the local public records to really see it all online.

...please excuse my wordiness...but ...there.  I got my humble opinion out in the open.

Ellen M Malloy
Tri County Abstract Inc.

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Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/20/2005 6:41:10 AM (3534 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ron Rooney/SC
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Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/21/2005 7:31:16 PM (3412 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/23/2005 8:41:00 AM (4995 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 9:59:42 AM (3392 views)

Looking Glass ? - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
9/19/2005 9:30:01 AM (2049 views)

$100 Membership for Work??? - Michaela Urban/OH
9/19/2005 8:38:36 AM (2466 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Scott Perry/PA
9/19/2005 9:07:08 AM (3358 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Michaela Urban/OH
9/19/2005 9:25:08 AM (3157 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:43:23 PM (3181 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:51 PM (3182 views)

Inquiring - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 1:01:14 AM (2417 views)
Re: Inquiring - Joanie Hahr/VT
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Re: Inquiring - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:39:38 PM (3380 views)

David Bloys - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: David Bloys - David Bloys/TX
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Re: David Bloys - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 3:14:23 AM (3190 views)


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Just wondering - Tammy Knight/MO
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Re: Just wondering - J Nisonger/CA
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BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
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Re: BRB Abstracting - Susie/OH
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Re: BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
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Re: BRB Abstracting - Beverly Bowen/WI
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Re: BRB Abstracting - Norean/GA
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Re: BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
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Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
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Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
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Re: Should've known better - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
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Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
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Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
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Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
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Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
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Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
10/4/2005 9:34:54 PM (3224 views)
Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
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Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
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Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
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How long? - Laurie/MD
9/14/2005 4:17:01 PM (2493 views)
Re: How long? - Jay Duncan/MO
9/14/2005 5:24:58 PM (4251 views)
Re: How long? - Patrick Scott/IL
9/14/2005 6:14:13 PM (3006 views)
Re: How long? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/14/2005 6:44:15 PM (3021 views)

10,000 Registered Users! - Robert Franco/OH
9/14/2005 11:19:21 AM (2343 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
9/14/2005 11:41:02 AM (2908 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Dave Pell/FL
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Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Matthew DeLand/NY
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Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Wanda Steudel/OH
9/16/2005 6:41:44 PM (2864 views)

Gas Price Survey - Scott Perry/PA
9/13/2005 9:16:51 PM (2424 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Shannon Blatt/VA
9/13/2005 11:22:34 PM (2911 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Patrick Scott/IL
9/13/2005 11:57:18 PM (2938 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Jay Duncan/MO
9/14/2005 7:46:17 AM (2863 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Eboni/VA
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Re: Gas Price Survey - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Gas Price Survey - Donna McKamy/MT
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Just Wondering - Kim Cowles/WI
9/13/2005 4:19:00 PM (2503 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Robert Franco/OH
9/13/2005 4:57:01 PM (2989 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Just Wondering - Steve Schneider/IN
9/14/2005 9:15:54 PM (2996 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Scott Perry/PA
9/13/2005 7:18:52 PM (2930 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Caught Looking - Douglas Gallant/OH
9/12/2005 5:24:52 PM (2431 views)
Re: Caught Looking - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Caught Looking - Rich/ME
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Re: Caught Looking - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Caught Looking - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Caught Looking - monica froese/ME
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Re: Caught Looking - monica froese/ME
9/13/2005 7:22:24 PM (2977 views)
Re: Caught Looking - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Caught Looking - monica froese/ME
9/13/2005 10:15:53 PM (2907 views)

REMEMBER THE WTC - Scott Perry/PA
9/11/2005 6:48:39 PM (1951 views)

Treo 650 - J Nisonger/CA
9/10/2005 6:28:56 PM (2407 views)
Re: Treo 650 - Larry Crooks/OH
9/12/2005 5:48:43 PM (2892 views)
Re: Treo 650 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Treo 650 - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Treo 650 - Norean/GA
9/13/2005 6:45:19 PM (2970 views)
Re: Treo 650 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Treo 650 - J Nisonger/CA
9/18/2005 7:36:11 AM (2893 views)
Re: Treo 650 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/18/2005 3:40:43 PM (2949 views)
Re: Treo 650 - J Nisonger/CA
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What's a Blackbelly? - Scott Perry/PA
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