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New Abstractor needs help - Brett/GA
9/22/2005 11:03:41 AM (2801 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - christine/MA
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Re: New Abstractor needs help - David Bloys/TX
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Re: New Abstractor needs help - monica froese/ME
9/23/2005 12:02:23 AM (4176 views)
Re: Monica - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 3:01:12 AM (4167 views)
Re: Monica - monica froese/ME
9/23/2005 3:24:17 PM (4265 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 2:57:50 AM (4153 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Brett Merrill/GA
9/23/2005 9:45:39 PM (4180 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/24/2005 3:41:25 PM (4261 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/25/2005 10:19:26 AM (4217 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Brett Merrill/GA
9/25/2005 6:43:41 PM (4180 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Scott Perry/PA
9/25/2005 8:55:18 PM (4131 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - David Bloys/TX
9/25/2005 9:25:25 PM (4178 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/26/2005 9:13:03 AM (4064 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Helene/GA
9/27/2005 12:02:43 AM (4086 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/27/2005 12:34:18 PM (4007 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
9/27/2005 8:58:59 PM (3997 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/30/2005 1:08:05 PM (3840 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/27/2005 9:32:17 PM (4007 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/30/2005 1:21:33 PM (3911 views)

United States Title Corp. - Debra Adkins/VA
9/21/2005 3:51:50 PM (2244 views)

'Thank you - Tammy Knight/MO
9/21/2005 12:47:24 AM (2530 views)
Re: 'Thank you - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2005 10:11:43 AM (3827 views)

Someone e-mailed me - Tammy Knight/MO
9/21/2005 12:45:31 AM (2078 views)

Hey, F. Lee!! - Scott Perry/PA
9/20/2005 9:45:32 PM (2504 views)
Re: Hey, F. Lee!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/21/2005 6:40:18 AM (3836 views)


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NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 2:20:51 PM (2524 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
9/20/2005 4:31:09 PM (3994 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 4:36:02 PM (3885 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:19:18 PM (3734 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 9:01:10 PM (3766 views)

State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:22:26 AM (3628 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 10:48:12 AM (5401 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:22:05 PM (3714 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Sam Gendusa/FL
9/22/2005 8:03:05 PM (3690 views)

United Docs NY - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:12:20 AM (2178 views)

abstractors of america, md - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:09:58 AM (2706 views)
Re: abstractors of america, md - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:33:08 PM (3625 views)
Re: abstractors of america, md - Gail Frey/CT
10/11/2005 10:33:06 PM (3427 views)

Another call from India... - Robert Franco/OH
9/19/2005 10:41:21 AM (2657 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:32 AM (3808 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
9/19/2005 11:55:25 AM (3639 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Joshua Lonon/SC
9/19/2005 3:47:32 PM (3683 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Jay Duncan/MO
9/19/2005 4:22:06 PM (3679 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ellen Malloy/MO
9/19/2005 8:20:32 PM (3643 views)

Robert....

In the last six months, we have gotten three calls and two emails from Indian Outsourcing Companies.  The last one was an email today from "Infinity" claiming to provide 5-16 hour service on all their products on every county in the United States.  They work "24-7" and utilize DataTrace and DataTree...plus some other data providers I didn't recognize.  I hesitate being judgmental - but it is very difficult to understand how they can offer searches, etc without knowledgeable turncoats from this country. Tri County Abstract Inc utilizes Data Trace and Data Tree - but only because it started out as another entity in the counties I serviced - and I was drug screaming and kicking into the "Joint Venture".  Once it became a joint venture, I set about computerizing the county data we had in our office already as a backup - the St Louis County data from the Recorder's office - and using St Louis City's Laredo program to back up the city.  The daily recordings from both of those counties are sent directly to India by First American/Data Trace  - which is then indexed into their database.  I have to be truthful and say that the reliability of Data Trace has spiralled in recent years since that implementation.

Even with those Databases available to us - a trip to the Courthouse is still necessary for judgments.  We have an onsite plant going back to 1973; but anything prior to that must either be researched at the recorder's office or at the title plant facility where DataTrace is now operating. So to provide a complete search, you need access to older information that is just not online.  Data Tree is lacking many documents and far from completion - the copies only go back to 1985, if that far. We make the large majority of copies ourselves.

   I learned many years back that one needs to keep all possibilities open and not rely on one data provider.  Much like a monopolizing utility company - when there are no options - there is no freedom of choice. First American is one of my better clients;  and I don't mean to criticize.  But it would seem to me that a company with the name of "First American" should be the last one to provide access to countries outside of our own.  I think many people on this board are hesitant to speak out about it, as I was, but unless there is an effort somewhere to stop this attempt at monopolization of all phases of the title industry - all of us will be looking for a job and to work for First American; would need to move to India.

   These databases have accumulated years of data from companies in existence for years and years....here it was Land Title, a company whose inhouse indexing goes back to the mid 1800's.  The computer plant is only back to 1985.  The First American/DataTrace entity here approaches title agents with a special program where the title is ordered thru First American and then insured thru First American.  Their fees are higher; but supposedly since they run the title - there will be no problem if a claim arises.  There is something inherantly wrong with a system that allows that; let alone pushes it.  And any agent who believes they have a non-compete with the local First American is sitting on on their head.  The local First American is hidden underneath the agent's paper.  No wonder companies are flipping like dolphins here in St Louis. 

That's just my local story.  Like I said, First American is a client of mine - one not located in the St Louis area.  And I am truly torn between wanting Data Trace and Data Tree to remain available - and wanting to stop the outsourcing of bulk documents out of this country.  Computerization is a necessary evil that we have to contend with.  But I can assure you - the reliability of any title coming from India is not worth the paper it is written on.  Too many glitches in the local public records to really see it all online.

...please excuse my wordiness...but ...there.  I got my humble opinion out in the open.

Ellen M Malloy
Tri County Abstract Inc.

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Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/20/2005 6:41:10 AM (3740 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ron Rooney/SC
9/20/2005 2:00:03 PM (3843 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/21/2005 7:31:16 PM (3586 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/23/2005 8:41:00 AM (5211 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 9:59:42 AM (3569 views)

Looking Glass ? - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
9/19/2005 9:30:01 AM (2087 views)

$100 Membership for Work??? - Michaela Urban/OH
9/19/2005 8:38:36 AM (2538 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Scott Perry/PA
9/19/2005 9:07:08 AM (3532 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Michaela Urban/OH
9/19/2005 9:25:08 AM (3300 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:43:23 PM (3332 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:51 PM (3344 views)

Inquiring - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 1:01:14 AM (2482 views)
Re: Inquiring - Joanie Hahr/VT
9/19/2005 6:57:50 AM (3535 views)
Re: Inquiring - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:39:38 PM (3524 views)

David Bloys - J Nisonger/CA
9/19/2005 1:00:17 AM (2446 views)
Re: David Bloys - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 9:03:01 AM (4883 views)
Re: David Bloys - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 3:14:23 AM (3354 views)

Just wondering - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:59:27 AM (2568 views)
Re: Just wondering - J Nisonger/CA
9/19/2005 1:04:24 AM (3442 views)
Re: Just wondering - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:36:00 PM (3459 views)


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