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Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/15/2005 12:15:36 PM (2324 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 1:27:14 PM (3079 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:09:32 PM (3034 views)

Ever had this happen to you? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/13/2005 5:27:40 PM (2451 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:33:43 PM (3261 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:10:36 AM (4602 views)

This is a problem that is going to continue and will only become worse with the passage of time. The escalation of expenses (primarily gasoline) and the constant pressures to reduce our prices has only one result...declining profit margin. I suppose we could hold firm on our prices in the hope that clients will eventually come to their senses and realize that the quality of the search justifies a fair price for the work entailed therein, but in a profit driven industry that does not seem to be working. It seems to result in declining client bases because as we all know there are the unskilled and uninsured abstractors that will perform the searches.

Some of us can take solice in the belief (no matter how mistaken) that we have a hard core list of clients that will never leave, but as we all know there is no such thing as client loyalty, and the belief is unfounded. The problem seems to be in the desire of clients to maximize their profit at the expense of the abstractor. For those of you that perform closings in addition to abstracting, I think you have all seen the prices shown on HUD 1 forms that borrowers are charged for searches/recordings and closings. I think you will agree that the prices are a far cry from what the abstractors and signing agents actually receive for their work. There is a huge mark up. It seems to stem from the title companies desire to maximize profit. However, such is life in a free enterprize system. From what I have seen on this board and research I have performed, it is not clear whether RESPA governs third party mark ups depending on the Federal Circuit in which you reside...there are other laws that may however govern this issue.

The abstractors are losing ground everyday, and are going to continue to be victimized by clients with low ball pricing, unreasonable requests for additional service with no corresponding additional charge and delinquent payments. The challenge for the abstractor is to find a way to compete effectively. 

At the risk of being repetitious, I am going to revisit a discussion that we had on this board a while back. For those of you that are not interested, I will understand if you want to tune out now.

Last October we explored the idea of forming a Vendor Management/Title Company in the form of either our own corporation or LLC. Anyone out there think that it may be time to take a second look at this? 

There were a number of concerns at that time:

     How do we fund it?  As with all new businesses, initially it would take
     an infusion of capital from shareholders or LLC members buying in.
     Subsequently it could be self supporting just as any other title company.
     If there are profits at the end of the year they can be dividended back
     to the shareholders or LLC members.

     Fair prices for work performed? The work would be assigned to
     shareholders/LLC members first. It is a closed system. We go to the
     outside only if there is no abstractor or signing agent available in the
     area for an assignment. We set the prices for our work. We by pass
     the title companies entirely, and approach the lenders directly as client's.
     We charge the lenders fair prices ...possibly more competitive than the 
     title companies with which they are currently dealing, but taking into
     account the prices we want for our services. The problem we
     seem to be running into currently is with our clients pressuring us for 
     price reductions, not the lenders. The lenders just factor the search
     fees and closing costs into their expenses, and pass them along to the
     borrowers.

     Blue sky laws? There was some concern as to having to conform
     to a patch work of state laws protecting individuals from business
     opporntunity scams. These laws are good and do in fact protect people
     from predatory scam artists, but it is difficult for a legitimate company to
     conform its business model to many different state laws which are often
     not uniform in their application.

     There is a simple solution. We can opt for federal regulation under the
     Federal Trade Commission rather than state regulation. It is designed
     for companies engaged in interstate commerce rather than intrastate
     commerce.If we are under federal jurisdiction we need to conform to
     only one uniform law rather than 50 conflicting statutes.

     Will we be competing with ourselves? There was much concern as
     to whether individuals buying into the LLC would be competing with
     themselves or losing business which they had already built up over the
     years. The answer to your question is no. In addition from taking
     assignments from the corporation/LLC that you own, you retain all the
     clients you previously had, and continue to develop your business on
     the side. You are currently dealing with vendor managers and title
     companies as clients. Your LLC is going to be dealing directly with
     lenders as clients, and assigning the work to its members. If the
     corporation/LLC is organized properly you could potentially receive
     higher fees for your work than those for which you are struggling to
     maintain now with your current list of clients.

It is time to start thinking big.

 

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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/14/2005 11:01:55 AM (3205 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 1:14:49 PM (3239 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 2:51:52 PM (3248 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/14/2005 7:15:22 PM (3278 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:24:14 PM (3070 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 10:10:39 PM (3218 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 6:24:02 AM (3236 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 7:43:38 AM (3099 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 9:37:39 AM (3002 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:44:46 PM (3037 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 7:28:15 PM (3064 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:08:55 PM (4367 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/16/2005 5:52:36 AM (3236 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/17/2005 9:57:47 AM (4228 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/17/2005 10:09:42 AM (4380 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Scott Perry/PA
8/14/2005 6:01:13 PM (3217 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 6:55:39 PM (3175 views)
Thank you so much!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/14/2005 10:23:17 PM (3180 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
8/15/2005 12:11:54 AM (3087 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:07:07 AM (2990 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:06 AM (2930 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:23:25 AM (2977 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:52:42 AM (2978 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 12:07:39 PM (3119 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 12:19:50 PM (2992 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 12:25:46 PM (3052 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:13:32 PM (3076 views)

Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - Scott Perry/PA
8/13/2005 11:18:39 AM (2318 views)
Re: Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:36:33 PM (2983 views)

Police Mortgage? - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:17:13 AM (1980 views)

Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:09:01 AM (2305 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 1:53:08 PM (2850 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/12/2005 2:03:22 PM (2818 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference...Here is where we are staying - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 5:30:36 PM (2881 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/15/2005 12:41:07 PM (2731 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:01:35 PM (2867 views)


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New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
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Re: New Interest - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 11:40:19 PM (2994 views)
Re: New Interest - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 7:23:56 AM (3045 views)
Re: New Interest - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 9:33:38 AM (3199 views)
Re: New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/12/2005 11:12:12 AM (2836 views)

HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 5:07:11 PM (2402 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/10/2005 5:43:23 PM (3074 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 8:34:25 PM (3081 views)

Policy Manual - Wendi See/SC
8/10/2005 1:05:21 PM (2032 views)

looking to expand - Gladys Brown/NC
8/10/2005 10:16:39 AM (2338 views)
Re: looking to expand - Markita Meeks/MI
8/10/2005 12:19:28 PM (3154 views)
Re: looking to expand - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: looking to expand - Donna Grady/NC
8/10/2005 11:39:13 PM (3203 views)
Re: looking to expand - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 12:09:12 PM (3085 views)
Re: looking to expand - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 10:01:28 AM (3153 views)
Re: looking to expand - Donna Grady/NC
8/24/2005 12:22:12 AM (3094 views)

Thoughts?? - Michaela Urban/OH
8/10/2005 12:51:57 AM (2445 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Jay Duncan/MO
8/10/2005 8:42:10 AM (3262 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - David Bloys/TX
8/10/2005 9:37:34 AM (5065 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/10/2005 4:52:39 PM (3308 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Anne Gilbert/VT
8/10/2005 8:04:18 PM (3133 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Scott Perry/PA
8/10/2005 9:10:40 PM (3114 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Donna Grady/NC
8/11/2005 12:08:08 AM (3042 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 9:03:06 AM (3075 views)

Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 11:54:32 AM (2569 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 12:23:50 PM (3507 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 12:43:04 PM (3558 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 1:07:16 PM (3256 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Steve Schneider/IN
8/9/2005 8:29:03 PM (3582 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/9/2005 12:39:41 PM (3537 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 12:46:12 PM (3487 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/9/2005 6:52:15 PM (3312 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 1:48:13 PM (3279 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 2:27:30 PM (3245 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/9/2005 2:33:43 PM (3265 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 3:04:09 PM (3587 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 3:23:48 PM (3603 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/9/2005 4:29:09 PM (3369 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 6:20:35 PM (3332 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 7:22:33 PM (3334 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 7:47:07 PM (3696 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 8:44:54 PM (3406 views)
Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 9:10:15 PM (3418 views)
Re: Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 9:46:45 PM (3576 views)
Re: Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 9:59:09 PM (3505 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 8:34:35 PM (3400 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Glenda Hodge/TN
8/10/2005 1:53:44 AM (3427 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/10/2005 5:11:59 PM (3204 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 7:16:20 AM (3164 views)

Muchas Gracias, Roberto! - Scott Perry/PA
8/8/2005 9:57:19 PM (2027 views)

BANNED FROM SOT - VIVIAN SLYKER/OH
8/8/2005 4:01:14 PM (2216 views)

HELOCS - Gladys Brown/NC
8/8/2005 3:43:56 PM (2363 views)
Re: HELOCS - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/8/2005 5:06:03 PM (3237 views)
Re: HELOCS - Victoria Moate/NJ
8/9/2005 12:58:27 AM (3331 views)
Re: HELOCS - Gladys Brown/NC
8/10/2005 10:05:51 AM (3286 views)
Re: HELOCS - Jeanne Mendes/CA
8/30/2005 5:28:37 AM (3072 views)

trouble with Title Search USA? - Susan Raynard/MA
8/8/2005 12:50:11 AM (2524 views)
Re: trouble with Title Search USA? - Francis Gottron/OH
8/8/2005 1:53:42 PM (3284 views)
Re: trouble with Title Search USA? - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/19/2005 6:27:42 PM (3244 views)
Re: trouble with Title Search USA? - Becky Kale/IL
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