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Remember this Memorial Day - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:07:09 PM (2105 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Francine Miller/NY
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Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
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Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Kim Haase/MT
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Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/27/2005 1:20:33 PM (2295 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/27/2005 2:30:48 PM (3581 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 2:51:26 PM (3668 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:38:52 PM (3584 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 11:20:25 PM (3588 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/28/2005 10:43:18 AM (3472 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/28/2005 9:12:21 PM (3420 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/28/2005 10:19:51 PM (3590 views)

I will first remark, Jason, that my company does not engage in the practices described in this thread.  They appear to be the act of "fee splitting" where one company is receiving partial fees for services not performed by the company.  This is specifically prohibited by RESPA

In Illinois, there are a number of class action lawsuits pertaining to overcharging for recording fees, courier fees, etc.  The title companies are paying.  Not all allegations are necessarily RESPA related, but also charges of fraud, undo enrichment and whatever else the plaintiff attorneys can come up with.  If you are doing business in Illinois, charge for work not performed at your peril.

There are some instances, however, where some of the fees may be warranted.  The title search and title exam are charged for, whether or not they are listed on the HUD as a separate line item.  If they are not, then they are rolled into the title premium or the closing fee with other overhead costs.

A lender may actually request that you separate the fees because certain fees (i.e. the closing fee) affect the APR and the lender wishes to keep the APR low.  Thus the title company lowers the APR affecting closing fee by the same amount of the new title exam or title search fee.

So, I think that you need to look at the whole picture before drawing conclusions on some of the charges that you see.  The overall price may be the same but there is actually more disclosure in the hypothetical I described above.

However, the examples from Jason and Shannon appear to me to be straight forward RESPA violations.  As to the legality aside from RESPA, I prefer to wait for comment by Mr. Ahern or other attorneys who are inclined to donate their time and legal knowledge.  My disclaimer is below.

This posting was prepared by a person who is not an attorney and who does not intend for this posting to be construed in any way as legal advice or the practice of law.  Any person or entity who misconstrues this posting as legal advice or unauthorized practice of law should ignore the entire post.

The above disclaimer was prepared by a person who is not an attorney, does not play one on TV, and is not related to one.  The entire disclaimer should be ignored, along with its preceding post/message, by everyone.

The above disclaimer is not meant in any way to make light of the legal profession or to injure any feelings.  It was prepared by a regular person, who wishes no harm to any who visit this forum, in a lighthearted spirit.  Please disregard this entire mess.

To echo some previous posts, God Bless Our Troops!  Have a great Memorial Day weekend!

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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/29/2005 9:02:16 AM (3515 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/29/2005 10:37:13 PM (3453 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 5:58:41 AM (3425 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 9:32:44 AM (3413 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/30/2005 1:54:46 PM (3331 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2005 5:03:09 PM (3339 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 6:21:13 PM (3439 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 4:49:02 PM (3686 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:46:49 PM (3589 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/31/2005 10:13:06 PM (3649 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 11:23:55 PM (3388 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 11:42:51 PM (3376 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
6/1/2005 10:05:56 AM (3463 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/29/2005 11:30:43 AM (3633 views)

Frontier Counties - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2005 11:22:17 AM (2814 views)

Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 1:14:32 AM (2279 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 8:08:43 AM (3654 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 9:41:31 AM (3536 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 11:26:01 AM (3557 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:38:11 PM (3584 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 10:28:13 AM (3685 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:31:28 PM (3624 views)
Re: Informal poll - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 2:52:14 PM (3626 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:05:31 PM (3602 views)
Re: Informal poll - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2005 4:17:53 PM (3628 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:49:17 AM (3381 views)
Re: Informal poll - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:42:36 PM (3571 views)
Re: Informal poll - Michaela Urban/OH
5/27/2005 9:17:32 PM (3611 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jacqueline Costa/RI
5/27/2005 9:41:31 PM (3583 views)
Re: Informal poll - Christy Rathbun/CT
5/27/2005 10:09:20 PM (3543 views)
Re: Informal poll - Donna Grady/NC
5/27/2005 11:30:24 PM (3555 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:00:54 AM (3309 views)
Re: Informal poll - Glenda Hodge/TN
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Re: Informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Informal poll - Helene/GA
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Re: Informal poll - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/31/2005 10:58:00 AM (3266 views)
Re: Informal poll - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/26/2005 10:28:57 PM (2233 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Patrick Scott/IL
5/27/2005 9:48:10 AM (3616 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:39:37 PM (3414 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/27/2005 12:09:53 PM (3412 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:41:27 PM (3430 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/27/2005 4:55:13 PM (3386 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:48:08 PM (3280 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:04:25 AM (3264 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:46:28 PM (3272 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/31/2005 11:06:39 AM (3223 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Anne Gilbert/VT
5/30/2005 8:34:28 AM (3202 views)


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Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Julie Jasiunas/WI
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Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - christine hughes/MA
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Texas abstractors-please help - Michael Frank/TX
5/26/2005 2:20:43 PM (1786 views)

Am I the only one left? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Am I the only one left? - MJ/VA
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Am I the only one left? - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Am I the only one left? - monica froese/ME
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/26/2005 10:10:38 PM (3421 views)

Now You Can!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
5/24/2005 9:12:35 PM (3042 views)

Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 8:11:11 PM (2209 views)
Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
5/23/2005 8:31:57 PM (3335 views)
Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Jay Duncan/MO
5/23/2005 10:28:11 PM (3382 views)
Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
5/24/2005 9:26:04 AM (3246 views)
Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/24/2005 10:40:40 AM (3250 views)
Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - monica froese/ME
5/25/2005 4:01:06 PM (3241 views)

To My Fellow SOT Members - Scott Perry/PA
5/23/2005 7:46:49 PM (2201 views)
Re: To My Fellow SOT Members - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 8:48:28 PM (3299 views)
Re: To My Fellow SOT Members - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/24/2005 11:13:48 PM (3151 views)

Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
5/23/2005 11:38:13 AM (2346 views)
Re: Job change - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 8:06:30 PM (3445 views)
Re: Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Job change - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/24/2005 10:49:53 AM (3430 views)
Re: Job change - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Job change - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/24/2005 2:06:28 PM (3248 views)
Re: Job change - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/24/2005 2:30:45 PM (3248 views)
Re: Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
5/25/2005 10:00:07 AM (3307 views)
Re: Job change - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 10:24:42 AM (3040 views)

Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 11:03:20 AM (2309 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/23/2005 2:22:34 PM (3447 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - David Bloys/TX
5/23/2005 2:30:17 PM (3446 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 3:33:37 PM (3467 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 3:52:11 PM (3581 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 7:42:33 PM (3449 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - george Hubka/MI
5/25/2005 12:12:22 AM (3461 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/25/2005 10:54:24 AM (3419 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
5/23/2005 3:36:53 PM (3481 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
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Re: Criminal Searches? - Sandra Morton/KS
5/23/2005 3:45:31 PM (3506 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 3:46:41 PM (3435 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Sandra Morton/KS
5/23/2005 3:50:08 PM (3478 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 7:50:56 PM (3386 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Scott Perry/PA
5/23/2005 7:34:12 PM (3407 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 8:56:16 PM (2990 views)

Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Ray Miller/NJ
5/22/2005 7:25:15 PM (2211 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/22/2005 11:14:18 PM (3323 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - george Hubka/MI
5/25/2005 12:21:33 AM (3424 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/25/2005 11:38:07 AM (3317 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 1:09:17 AM (3368 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Mark Russomanno/NJ
5/23/2005 5:22:31 PM (3372 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 6:18:14 PM (3361 views)

Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/21/2005 6:09:51 PM (2249 views)
Re: Scanner - David Bloys/TX
5/21/2005 6:13:56 PM (3438 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2005 11:04:29 AM (3417 views)
Re: Scanner - Kim Haase/MT
5/21/2005 10:21:02 PM (3373 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2005 11:06:22 AM (3385 views)
Re: Scanner - Kim Haase/MT
5/22/2005 1:46:47 PM (3374 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/23/2005 12:11:35 AM (3447 views)
Re: Scanner - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 3:45:23 PM (3456 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/24/2005 11:27:58 PM (3273 views)
Re: Scanner - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 3:56:44 PM (3363 views)
Re: Scanner - Spencer Kinsey/AR
5/23/2005 5:07:00 PM (3303 views)


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