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Best Wishes On Conference - Jan Forster/NC
6/2/2004 9:21:09 PM (2123 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - monica froese/ME
6/2/2004 10:16:02 PM (3596 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 11:53:13 PM (3685 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Slade Smith/GA
6/2/2004 11:57:46 PM (3647 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/3/2004 8:13:44 AM (3584 views)
Re: Best Wishes (one more thing) - Loretta Reed/MD
6/3/2004 8:17:40 AM (3509 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/3/2004 3:04:31 PM (3666 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/3/2004 11:11:39 AM (3586 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/4/2004 6:33:01 PM (3595 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/4/2004 7:01:53 PM (3473 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/4/2004 7:24:18 PM (3568 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/6/2004 10:32:58 AM (3547 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/6/2004 3:01:34 PM (3426 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/6/2004 5:52:17 PM (3451 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/6/2004 10:36:55 PM (3575 views)

Advice? - David Nixon/MA
6/2/2004 10:20:30 AM (1958 views)
Re: Advice? - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 2:40:32 PM (3542 views)
Re: Advice? - Jay Duncan
6/2/2004 3:11:37 PM (3435 views)
Re: Advice? - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 4:47:55 PM (3466 views)
Re: Advice? - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 5:35:50 PM (3459 views)
Re: Advice? - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 11:32:59 PM (3404 views)

Re: Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/2/2004 7:51:22 AM (1793 views)
Re: Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 10:09:08 AM (3385 views)

E&O Insurance - Jessica Marshall/NY
6/1/2004 10:22:15 PM (1780 views)
Re: E&O Insurance - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/2/2004 12:12:16 AM (3469 views)

memorial day.., - monica froese/ME
5/31/2004 12:36:48 AM (1424 views)




Where is Scott? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 3:46:43 PM (1482 views)

The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/30/2004 12:49:13 PM (1887 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 10:31:09 PM (3593 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:42:35 PM (3587 views)

Just to set the record straight! - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 4:17:55 AM (2107 views)
Re: Just to set the record straight! - Kristi Lee/NE
6/2/2004 12:41:26 PM (3815 views)

Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 7:41:12 PM (1984 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 11:10:16 PM (3825 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 5:55:29 AM (3765 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 7:44:16 PM (3753 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/1/2004 4:49:14 AM (3677 views)

not working tonight...part 2 - monica froese/ME
5/28/2004 4:51:57 PM (1870 views)
Re: not working tonight...part 2 - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 6:54:00 PM (3467 views)

THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:15:35 AM (1960 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION, part 1 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:41:10 AM (3725 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 2 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:56:13 AM (3786 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 10:18:33 AM (3619 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 11:43:16 AM (3794 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 12:36:02 PM (3646 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (3747 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:14:04 PM (3761 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 3:21:56 PM (3606 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/28/2004 4:08:12 PM (3657 views)
Re: My small comments - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 8:00:51 PM (3727 views)
Re: My small comments - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:46:00 PM (3677 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 11:03:17 AM (3623 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 12:57:23 PM (3739 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 1:37:03 PM (3716 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:55:15 PM (3729 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:12:22 PM (3812 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:32:57 PM (3640 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:56:08 PM (3740 views)
Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 6:05:20 PM (3619 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 9:56:31 AM (3583 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 12:24:43 PM (3603 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 1:52:47 PM (3628 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/29/2004 2:28:05 PM (3537 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 3:26:56 PM (3481 views)
Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 6:49:00 PM (3580 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/29/2004 4:46:33 PM (3588 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 8:35:16 PM (3561 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/30/2004 2:52:13 AM (3558 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:22:28 PM (3449 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 7:48:48 PM (3474 views)

I don't assume this at all Judy. In fact, I assume that you are doing just what you said you are doing, trying to make a living.

You are not a Charlatan, neither are you an abstractor. You may be some day, maybe even a great one.

Do you remember when you first came on this site a couple of months ago? You were asking for a mentor. You knew then that you were not qualified to accept orders as an abstractor. You knew that you needed help and you made an honest appeal here for that help.

You may not believe me now but I was considering offering you whatever help I could in a private email. I checked out your web site and found your claim of being not only a abstractor, but an insured abstractor with many years of experience. Curious to me why you would so honestly and humbly seek a mentor here on SOT while telling potential clients that you were in fact already an insured abstractor with many years of experience. So I checked out your listing here on SOT only to find that here you not only claimed all the above but added "a coach to abstractors".

If you were all of these things you obviously did not need a mentor. In fact, wouldn't "a coach to abstractors" be very similar to a mentor? So I never sent that email offer.

I watched to when you posted that you were just trying to make a living and did not intend to take business from anyone. I believed you were sincere but couldn't see the logic of your statement. Where did you think your clients would be coming from? The clients we serve are already being served by someone. Most likely someone with years of experience and satifactory service. What would you offer these clients that they were not already being given? The living you were trying to make could only come from the living someone else had built over many years. You cannot offer the same service the experienced abstractors are already giving. Eventually, no matter how well intentioned and honest you may be you will be forced to either make claims you cannot back up or offer undercut fees to compensate for your lack of experience.

My advice to you had I sent that email would have been to either gain the experience you need by working for an experienced abstractor, title company or attorney. If this was not an option you might have done document retrieval or data acquisition until you gained enough experience to feel comfortable doing a few of the less demanding searches if you let your client know in advance that you were inexperienced. Your clients might have even helped you if they knew in advance that you had really never done this type of work before.

Yes, there always be new people claiming to be abstractors. They will come and they will go. I've seen many over the years. The ones who stay are usually the ones who treat their clients honestly and professionally. The ones who go leave in their wake confusion about what an abstractor is and the service we provide. Clients are often left with large lawsuits resulting from their belief in a new "abstractor" who wasn't an abstractor and now never will be.

Now, the new people claiming to be qualified abstractors need not even be in the same county as the experienced abstractors. They don't even have to be in the same country according to the offshore outsource companies. After all, they are just "new abstractors" too. Just trying to make a living and not wanting to take business away from anyone.

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Re: Bottom Line - monica froese/ME
5/29/2004 9:56:04 PM (3435 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 12:46:59 AM (3478 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/30/2004 3:58:09 AM (3507 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Bill Elliott/NC
6/5/2004 4:37:09 PM (3439 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:44:12 AM (3536 views)

I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:09:38 PM (1961 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Slade Smith/OH
5/28/2004 2:02:23 AM (4532 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 12:12:10 PM (3590 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 10:22:57 AM (3535 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:46:13 AM (3517 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:25:19 PM (3342 views)

watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 9:28:39 PM (1791 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 9:35:44 PM (3290 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 10:03:58 PM (3268 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 8:34:32 AM (3275 views)

WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Cleofi Blass/NJ
5/27/2004 7:46:47 AM (2031 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:56:37 AM (3572 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2004 9:43:31 AM (3365 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2004 11:27:51 AM (3469 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2004 10:55:17 PM (3394 views)
Nothing - IMHO - David Nixon/MA
5/27/2004 11:44:26 AM (3455 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 3:00:02 PM (3474 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:49:57 PM (3240 views)
David a reminder? - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 3:16:07 AM (3344 views)
Re: David a reminder? - David Nixon/MA
6/2/2004 1:09:57 PM (3187 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/27/2004 4:57:18 PM (3308 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:15:05 PM (3290 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:47:45 PM (3320 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:05:28 PM (3299 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (3343 views)
Re: Hey Kurt............ - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:13:14 AM (3342 views)
Re: Hey Kurt......One more thing...... - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:16:03 AM (3345 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/31/2004 4:17:13 PM (3294 views)

HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Abstractor Conference
5/24/2004 9:02:57 PM (2065 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - monica froese/ME
5/24/2004 9:27:04 PM (3301 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/24/2004 10:11:42 PM (3335 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/25/2004 5:35:19 PM (3265 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/25/2004 5:42:03 PM (3379 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan/MO
5/25/2004 6:23:28 PM (3373 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jessica Marshall/NY
5/25/2004 8:35:09 PM (3323 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/25/2004 11:53:06 PM (3343 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/26/2004 5:59:01 AM (3428 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 10:26:29 AM (3430 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/26/2004 9:16:23 PM (3359 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:43:44 AM (3386 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - kevin ahern/CT
5/26/2004 6:36:25 AM (3386 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 10:34:46 AM (3333 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - David Bloys
5/26/2004 3:29:37 PM (3354 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 4:59:29 PM (3338 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - David Bloys
5/26/2004 6:24:04 PM (3451 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2004 11:21:12 AM (3358 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:10:22 PM (3325 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 9:56:31 PM (3215 views)


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