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E&O Insurance - Jessica Marshall/NY
6/1/2004 10:22:15 PM (1754 views)
Re: E&O Insurance - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/2/2004 12:12:16 AM (3326 views)

memorial day.., - monica froese/ME
5/31/2004 12:36:48 AM (1400 views)

Where is Scott? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 3:46:43 PM (1458 views)

The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/30/2004 12:49:13 PM (1851 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 10:31:09 PM (3450 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:42:35 PM (3440 views)

Just to set the record straight! - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 4:17:55 AM (2060 views)
Re: Just to set the record straight! - Kristi Lee/NE
6/2/2004 12:41:26 PM (3674 views)




Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 7:41:12 PM (1955 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 11:10:16 PM (3659 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 5:55:29 AM (3611 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 7:44:16 PM (3618 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/1/2004 4:49:14 AM (3539 views)

not working tonight...part 2 - monica froese/ME
5/28/2004 4:51:57 PM (1844 views)
Re: not working tonight...part 2 - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 6:54:00 PM (3340 views)

THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:15:35 AM (1933 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION, part 1 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:41:10 AM (3596 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 2 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:56:13 AM (3659 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 10:18:33 AM (3491 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 11:43:16 AM (3659 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 12:36:02 PM (3528 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (3586 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:14:04 PM (3630 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 3:21:56 PM (3487 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/28/2004 4:08:12 PM (3529 views)
Re: My small comments - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 8:00:51 PM (3610 views)
Re: My small comments - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:46:00 PM (3546 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 11:03:17 AM (3506 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 12:57:23 PM (3598 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 1:37:03 PM (3587 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:55:15 PM (3624 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:12:22 PM (3680 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:32:57 PM (3517 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:56:08 PM (3611 views)
Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 6:05:20 PM (3501 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 9:56:31 AM (3453 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 12:24:43 PM (3472 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 1:52:47 PM (3489 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/29/2004 2:28:05 PM (3408 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 3:26:56 PM (3340 views)
Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 6:49:00 PM (3455 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/29/2004 4:46:33 PM (3442 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 8:35:16 PM (3435 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/30/2004 2:52:13 AM (3416 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:22:28 PM (3329 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 7:48:48 PM (3354 views)

I don't assume this at all Judy. In fact, I assume that you are doing just what you said you are doing, trying to make a living.

You are not a Charlatan, neither are you an abstractor. You may be some day, maybe even a great one.

Do you remember when you first came on this site a couple of months ago? You were asking for a mentor. You knew then that you were not qualified to accept orders as an abstractor. You knew that you needed help and you made an honest appeal here for that help.

You may not believe me now but I was considering offering you whatever help I could in a private email. I checked out your web site and found your claim of being not only a abstractor, but an insured abstractor with many years of experience. Curious to me why you would so honestly and humbly seek a mentor here on SOT while telling potential clients that you were in fact already an insured abstractor with many years of experience. So I checked out your listing here on SOT only to find that here you not only claimed all the above but added "a coach to abstractors".

If you were all of these things you obviously did not need a mentor. In fact, wouldn't "a coach to abstractors" be very similar to a mentor? So I never sent that email offer.

I watched to when you posted that you were just trying to make a living and did not intend to take business from anyone. I believed you were sincere but couldn't see the logic of your statement. Where did you think your clients would be coming from? The clients we serve are already being served by someone. Most likely someone with years of experience and satifactory service. What would you offer these clients that they were not already being given? The living you were trying to make could only come from the living someone else had built over many years. You cannot offer the same service the experienced abstractors are already giving. Eventually, no matter how well intentioned and honest you may be you will be forced to either make claims you cannot back up or offer undercut fees to compensate for your lack of experience.

My advice to you had I sent that email would have been to either gain the experience you need by working for an experienced abstractor, title company or attorney. If this was not an option you might have done document retrieval or data acquisition until you gained enough experience to feel comfortable doing a few of the less demanding searches if you let your client know in advance that you were inexperienced. Your clients might have even helped you if they knew in advance that you had really never done this type of work before.

Yes, there always be new people claiming to be abstractors. They will come and they will go. I've seen many over the years. The ones who stay are usually the ones who treat their clients honestly and professionally. The ones who go leave in their wake confusion about what an abstractor is and the service we provide. Clients are often left with large lawsuits resulting from their belief in a new "abstractor" who wasn't an abstractor and now never will be.

Now, the new people claiming to be qualified abstractors need not even be in the same county as the experienced abstractors. They don't even have to be in the same country according to the offshore outsource companies. After all, they are just "new abstractors" too. Just trying to make a living and not wanting to take business away from anyone.

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Re: Bottom Line - monica froese/ME
5/29/2004 9:56:04 PM (3298 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 12:46:59 AM (3353 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/30/2004 3:58:09 AM (3391 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Bill Elliott/NC
6/5/2004 4:37:09 PM (3315 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:44:12 AM (3397 views)

I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:09:38 PM (1928 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Slade Smith/OH
5/28/2004 2:02:23 AM (4383 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 12:12:10 PM (3450 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 10:22:57 AM (3404 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:46:13 AM (3385 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:25:19 PM (3231 views)

watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 9:28:39 PM (1755 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 9:35:44 PM (3173 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 10:03:58 PM (3133 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 8:34:32 AM (3146 views)

WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Cleofi Blass/NJ
5/27/2004 7:46:47 AM (2000 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:56:37 AM (3453 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2004 9:43:31 AM (3242 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2004 11:27:51 AM (3350 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2004 10:55:17 PM (3264 views)
Nothing - IMHO - David Nixon/MA
5/27/2004 11:44:26 AM (3334 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 3:00:02 PM (3326 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:49:57 PM (3148 views)
David a reminder? - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 3:16:07 AM (3222 views)
Re: David a reminder? - David Nixon/MA
6/2/2004 1:09:57 PM (3078 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/27/2004 4:57:18 PM (3201 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:15:05 PM (3173 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:47:45 PM (3203 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:05:28 PM (3179 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (3223 views)
Re: Hey Kurt............ - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:13:14 AM (3231 views)
Re: Hey Kurt......One more thing...... - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:16:03 AM (3210 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/31/2004 4:17:13 PM (3180 views)

HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Abstractor Conference
5/24/2004 9:02:57 PM (2031 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - monica froese/ME
5/24/2004 9:27:04 PM (3172 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/24/2004 10:11:42 PM (3217 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/25/2004 5:35:19 PM (3146 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/25/2004 5:42:03 PM (3257 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan/MO
5/25/2004 6:23:28 PM (3247 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jessica Marshall/NY
5/25/2004 8:35:09 PM (3212 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/25/2004 11:53:06 PM (3215 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/26/2004 5:59:01 AM (3308 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 10:26:29 AM (3285 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/26/2004 9:16:23 PM (3231 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:43:44 AM (3261 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - kevin ahern/CT
5/26/2004 6:36:25 AM (3245 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 10:34:46 AM (3204 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - David Bloys
5/26/2004 3:29:37 PM (3226 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 4:59:29 PM (3212 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - David Bloys
5/26/2004 6:24:04 PM (3318 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2004 11:21:12 AM (3234 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:10:22 PM (3217 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 9:56:31 PM (3109 views)

happy b-day doug - monica froese/ME
5/22/2004 6:48:29 PM (1369 views)

Hey there Slade! - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2004 5:33:38 PM (1810 views)
Searching by name - Slade Smith/GA
5/23/2004 12:22:27 AM (3399 views)
Re: Searching by name - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/23/2004 11:48:09 AM (3286 views)
Re: Searching by name - Jay Duncan
5/23/2004 11:30:32 PM (3467 views)
Re: Searching by name - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/24/2004 12:54:06 AM (3332 views)

FYI >>>> - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/22/2004 12:51:32 PM (1485 views)


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