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To The Republic For Which It Stands
by Robert Franco | 2008/08/26 |

This post is a bit more political than I normally get in my blog, but I think there is something fundamentally wrong with citizens, and private lobby groups, legislating through ballot initiatives.  We have elected legislators who are charged with making the laws, and to allow special interest groups to make an end-run around the legislature thwarts the effectiveness of our government.  It really makes no difference whether the proposed law is a good idea or not, the proper procedure for effectuating change is through lobbying our elected officials. If we don't get the results we want, we have the power to elect new members to Congress.

The issue I'm addressing today is specific to Ohio, but the heart of the problem could have a much broader reach.  The group Ohioans for Healthy Families has been trying to get a law passed that would require all employers with 25 or more employees to provide seven sick days to all full-time employees, and a prorated number of sick days to part-time employees.  When the lobbying efforts failed, they obtained twice the number of signatures required to get the issue on the November ballot.  Now, it may be up to the voters to determine how many sick days their employers will offer - how do you think that vote will go?

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The Ohioans for Healthy Families claims that 2.2 million Ohioans have no sick leave and that it is morally wrong to force them to choose between taking care of a sick family member or getting a paycheck.

Coalition Communications Director Dale Butland said:

“When over 275,000 Ohio voters signed their names to the paid sick day petition last December, we hoped the General Assembly would honor the wishes of the people who elected them and pass the law themselves. But the House and Senate leadership turned their backs on the people and climbed into bed with the CEOs and corporate lobbyists who always oppose measures designed to treat middle class workers and families fairly.”

“Now that more than another 240,000 Ohio voters have signed petitions, well over half a million Ohioans have made their voices heard. They don’t want to lose a job or a paycheck simply because they or their children get sick. They don’t understand why they should be denied what workers in every other industrialized country in the world already have. And they’re not buying the scare tactics or the hypocrisy of executives and politicians who all have paid sick days themselves, but say they’re too expensive for regular people. Ohioans believe in family values. And this November, they’ll be able to prove it by voting for a law that values families.”

The group is running this ad:

Many business groups oppose the measures, saying they hurt businesses through lost worker revenue and high administrative costs. The National Federation of Independent Business/Ohio released a study last week concluding that the state’s proposed measure would cost businesses $1.17 billion in additional costs and $9.4 billion in lost sales. It estimates 75,000 jobs would be lost over five years due to the mandate. (see the Wall Street Journal)

Bill Harris, the Ohio Senate President, opposes the measure. He has been working with other State officials to keep it off the ballot because he does not want Ohio to be seen as a state that is unfriendly to business.  Ohio has been particularly hit by the erosion of blue collar jobs.  Many towns across the state that once had stable manufacturing jobs have been suffering.  Many businesses that once provided decent paying jobs with good benefits have left or closed down. Some have been replaced by smaller companies that don't provide the same level of employment opportunities - these would be the most effected by the new law. But, the new law would also make it more difficult to attract new businesses to Ohio as the cost of doing business here would be higher than other regions without similar regulations.

Public opinion polls conducted by The Columbus Dispatch, Quinnipiac University and others have consistently found over 70% support for the measure across party lines.  But what does this really say?  In my opinion, it's like asking a group of fifth graders if they want chocolate cake for dinner.  Of course people want more sick days.... it's all in how you phrase the question.  The results would have been vastly different if they asked "would you support a measure that would cause the loss of 75,000 jobs statewide?"

Personally, my opposition to such legislation has very little to do with my position on sick days and much more to do with my distaste for the coalition's methods of obtaining them.  I believe that every employer has a responsibility to provide the best benefits they can, within reason, to their employees.  My employees are like family to me.  I am not normally affected by these types of laws because I have too few employees to fall within their reach.  I'm not subject to FMLA, for instance.  However, I still do far more than I am required by law to do for my employees.  On multiple occassions, I have paid my employees at half of their normal rate for maternaty leave.  I wish I could have afforded to pay them their full pay, but I'm not required to offer paid leave at all.  On another occassion, after an employee had complications from routine surgery, I paid her for six weeks off at her full rate.  Again, not because I had to, but because I felt an obligation to help her through a rough time.  Her rent payments weren't going to be suspended and her other bills were still arriving in her mailbox - what else was she to do?

To me, this is an issue of corporate responsibility.  As a matter of law, I do not believe that Ohio should be forcing these kinds of mandates on employers; however, as a matter of policy, Ohio should be encouraging employers to do the right thing by fostering an economic environment that helps employers provide better jobs and benefits.  Small businesses should be responsible members of their communities and there should be more support for them when they do step up and provide for their employees.  We need stronger ties between our local governments and the employers in small towns across the state.  This kind of legislation creates a one-way street that only burdens employers and it could force some businesses to close down or relocate.

As a more fundamental issue, legislating from the ballot box is simply wrong.  Perhaps it is a pure form of democracy, but that isn't how our government was formed.  The founding fathers of our country took great pains to plan a republic form of government - many were terrified of democracy.

Take a look at the Pledge of Allegiance, for example:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Have you ever wondered why it doesn't say "to the democracy for which it stands?"  Today, the terms "republic" and "democracy" are pretty much used interchangeably, but that wasn't always the case.  I think legislating through ballot initiatives provides an excellent example of why our founding fathers were careful to create a republic - not a democracy.  They were fearful that if important decisions were left to simple majority rule, the rights of the minority would be trampled. 

In the case of the sick day initiative, the employers are clearly in the minority - employees certainly out number them at the polls.  Regardless of whether the effects of such a law are in the best interest of society at large, or our state's economy, it would certainly pass in a general election.

Our founding fathers believed that while we need to spread out the power of leadership in our country, such responsibility should be placed in the hands of the most virtuous of citizens.  As repugnant as it may sound today, they believed an elite class should rule - mainly, it was to be land owners.  It was believed at the time that those who worked the land were the most virtuous.  And, only the virtuous members of our society could be trusted to act in the best interest of the nation - forsaking their own selfish interests.  If left to a pure democracy, where simple majority rule governed, the masses would surely vote whatever they felt was in their best interest - regardless of what was in the best long-term interest of our country.

What we have today can be termed a "representative democracy." We elect our legislators and they have a duty to represent us when they make new laws.  Sometimes, that requires making unpopular decisions for the betterment of our society.  Much like a parent would say "No, you can't have chocolate cake for dinner," our legislators must conisder more than just our individual short-term desires when they pass laws that will have a broader long-term impact on our society.

If we do not like the decisions our legislators make, we have redress at the polls by electing them out of office.  We have the power to support different candidates who share our ideals, but, no matter who is elected, they have the same responsibilty to look out for the best interest of our communities as a whole.  Taking the legislature out of the law-making process eliminates a level of necessary protection from our own selfishness. 

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Got to disagree with this one

For one thing, there is no such thing as a Federal ballot initiative-- so you may be correct that the Founding Fathers would have opposed direct democracy at the Federal level, but I don't think that you can just assume that the Founding Fathers would have recoiled at the thought of ballot initiatives at the state level. 

On the other hand, the Founding Fathers did specifically want to preserve the ability of the states to choose their own form of state government within limits.  Some states have chosen to allow ballot iniatives and some have not, but there's one indisputable fact common to the decisions of those states who have chosen to allow ballot initiatives-- it has been the state legislatures which have voted to allow the ballot measures!  So, ironically, the same wise elites who you claim should retain all legislative powers have chosen to make the "dumb" decision to allow ballot initiatives.

Increasingly, with our representatives accepting lots of chocolate cake themselves from special interests, it's kind of nice that at least in theory, the people of Ohio can circumvent our legislature if need be.  In practice, I agree that a lot of the ballot measures that we've seen so far have been kind of dumb and I vote against many of them.

 

 
by Slade Smith | 2008/08/26 | log in or register to post a reply

In your words...

In your own words, it was a "dumb decision to allow ballot initiatives."  I don't necessarily agree with that, but like any power it has the potential to be misused.  This is such a case, in my opinion.  We need to leave the law-making to our elected legislature, except in the rarest of circumstances, if at all. 

I'm all for employers offering their employees sick days.  As you know, I am extremely generous with time-off allowances.  I just don't think that the government needs to mandate it.  Perhaps the more sound approach would be to take stronger actions to spur our economy and create more jobs so that employers will have to compete for good employees.  That would accomplish the same ends with natural economic supply and demand. 

Just because most people want something doesn't mean it is good for them, or our society in general.  If Ohio can't attract new businesses and our economy worsens, voters will naturally blame our elected officials - when, in fact, they would be as much to blame for the situation.

 
by Robert Franco | 2008/08/26 | log in or register to post a reply

You misunderstand what I meant

In your own words, it was a "dumb decision to allow ballot initiatives."

You misunderstand me.  I put quotes around "dumb" to indicate that this was not my opinion but rather a characterization of what your own opinion of that legislative action would have to have been, given that you think that it was "fundamentally wrong" for the legislature to grant citizens the ballot initiative.  But if you don't agree with the "dumb" characterization, just replace "dumb" with "fundamentally wrong" in my original comment, and i think my point still holds up.

As to this particular ballot measure regarding sick leave, I will vote against it, as will millions of other Ohioans.  Others will vote for it.  Even if it passes, I severely doubt that the measure will cost Ohio 75,000 jobs despite the "study" by a highly partisan Republican lobbying outfit whose efforts are no doubt highly skewed towards helping the largest "small businesses".

 
by Slade Smith | 2008/08/26 | log in or register to post a reply

Agree With Rob

The US Constitution guarantees a Republican form of government to each of the Several States (Article IV, Section 4). Direct democracy is nothing more than mob rule.

It is my considered opinion that such ballot initiatives and referenda are simply a cop-out by legislators who don't have the backbone to do the job that the voters elected them to do.

 
by Scott Perry | 2008/08/26 | log in or register to post a reply

Agree.... somewhat..

If the petition signatures are there, then there is little we can do at this point.  The law itself needs to be changed, and that measure will not appear on this upcoming ballot.  In my opinion, we should not allow private for profit companies hire employees to collect signatures.  Companies such as Petition Collection Services, Ohio Petition Management, and Ohio Petition Company LLC only have a financial interest in collecting the petitions.  They have no interest in the topic.

In this situation/ issue the one key phrase that will often be overlooked, is the term FULL TIME employee.  Instead of employing one Full timer, more companies will simply hire multiple part timers.  Retail, fast food, and most of the lower wage jobs are already full of Part Time positions.   Many companies are now utilizing temp agencies to get around paying employee benefits for workers who do perform full time work.   Seasonal employees may work more than 40 hours, but never be considered full time.  Other companies shave several hours off their employee’s schedules, down to 32 or 35 hours a week, so they are not considered full time.

There are ways around hiring 'Full Time' employees, and I have faith that plenty of companies will find loopholes that will make the passing of the law go somewhat unnoticed.  It looks nice on paper, but the law will not change the lives of the vast majority of the people who would vote for it.

As an independent abstractor, I would be more than happy to perform the work of someone's full time employees.  And I won’t ask you for insurance, vacation pay or sick days.

* * * *

There are too many problems with our current system of 'representative democracy' to list here.  The fact that more people voted for 'American Idol' than for our last president should be an indication of our voter turn out ratings.  Most elections have a 20-30 percent turn out.  Voter confidence is at an all time low, especially since it has been documented that our current president did not win either of the last two elections.

Monopolization of our news sources is another major flaw facing our current political system.  If public opinions are being manipulated by filtered news, people are not making proper informed decisions.    Too many have complained about Faux News, Iraq, and the media's power over public opinion, and yet they still tune in for their nightly brainwashing.  (Therealnews.com is an interesting concept to combat corporate owned or government funded news.)

Other groups are focusing on getting more people politically active.  Not just voting, but by actually running for office.  Ron Paul founded 'Campaign for Liberty' to do just that.  They will be holding a "Rally for the Republic" down the street from the Republican National Convention. One of the events that they sold out on is a political training seminar that teaches people how to run for political offices. 

Yes, I agree that if your representatives do not vote the way you want, you have the power to vote against them, but it makes a much stronger message for you to choose to RUN against them.  Our country is full of idol activists who want to change the world, but fail to get up from their recliner.

 

 
by | 2008/08/26 | log in or register to post a reply

The courts disagree with you on that, Bossman

The Supreme Court has spoken:  ballot initiatives are Constitutional.

Despite the apparent contradiction between the "republican form of government" guaranteed in the United States Constitution and "direct democracy" embodied by initiatives, the U.S. Supreme Court in 1912 found that the initiative process itself was not at odds with the form of governance established under the Federal Constitution.  In Pacific States Telephone & Telegraph Co. v. Oregon,43 the high court ruled that the initiative process was simply an additional form of government that complements rather than contradicts the federal form of government and representative democracy. Since that ruling, courts have not questioned the underlying legitimacy of the initiative process.

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The corollary to your argument that ballot initiatives are a cop-out is that ballot initiatives can afford a path of action on controversial issues that wimpy legislators worried about their reelection prospects simply won't touch. 

 
by Slade Smith | 2008/08/26 | log in or register to post a reply

Most reform originates in Ballot Initiatives; how to improve them

Ballot initiatives are the origin of most reforms, such as women's suffrage (passed in 13 states before Congress went along), direct election of Senators (4 states), publicly financed elections (passed by initiative in 6 of 7 states with them), medical marijuana ( in 8 of 13 states) and increasing minimum wages (in all 6 states that tried in 2006). See http://Vote.org/initiatives for more examples and references. The media have seized on the problem initiatives. They generally kiss up to politicians.

Voters on initiatives need what legislators get: public hearings, expert testimony, amendments, reports, etc. The best project for such deliberative process is the National Initiative for Democracy, led by former Sen. Mike Gravel: http://Vote.org. Also http://healthydemocracyoregon.org/ and http://cirwa.org

 

 
by Evan Ravitz | 2008/08/27 | log in or register to post a reply

I've Never Put Much Stock In Such Rulings, Slade

The Supreme Court once ruled that blacks could not sue in court or be citizens of the United States because they were considered chattel (see Dred Scott v. Sanford, 60 US 393 (1857)), but it didn't alter the fact that Dred Scott was a human being.

I have to laugh when I hear arguments about ballot initiatives affording a "path of action on controversial issues".  A few years ago, here locally, there was a proposal to raise our regional sales tax to fund the construction of the two stadiums for the Pirates and the Steelers (PNC Park and Heinz Field, respectively).  It was overwhelmingly voted down in a referendum, after which there was Plan "B".  Plan "B" turned out to be a proposal in which the Regional Asset District used tax revenues to fund the new stadiums, except that this time, the citizens didn't get to vote on it.

 
by Scott Perry | 2008/08/27 | log in or register to post a reply

The Dred Scott ruling was overturned by the 13th and 14th Amendment

Which amendment to the Constitution has overturned ballot initiatives?  You may not put much stock in Supreme Cout rulings, but that's the way our system of government is set up to work under the Constitution.

As far as your example regarding the stadiums, sounds like the original referendum worked perfectly.  It just sounds like the powers that be found a way around it.

 
by Slade Smith | 2008/08/27 | log in or register to post a reply

Precisely My Point

I hear what you're saying and I agree that it's how things are supposed to work, but my main point is that the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right.  Technically, the holding in Dred Scott was the law of the land until superseded by the Amendments you cited; it never was really "overturned" by the Court.

"As far as your example regarding the stadiums, sounds like the original referendum worked perfectly.  It just sounds like the powers that be found a way around it."

Which is precisely why I think ballot initiatives are a waste of time.

 
by Scott Perry | 2008/08/27 | log in or register to post a reply

The Supreme Court Interprets The Law

It is not that the Supreme Court "got it wrong" in the Dred Scott case, they were merely interpreting the law as it was at the time.  The legislature has since changed the law, thus there is no need for the Court to "overturn" the decision - it is simply no longer applicable.

That issue shows how well the system works - the legislature decided they didn't like the law so they changed it.  For the Supreme Court to have ruled any different in Dred Scott, would have been improper "legislating from the bench."  Of course, some of that happens today, but I don't think they usually stray far from the law when they do it... they can usually find some way to get the interpretation they desire within reasonable bounds.  We may not always agree with the Nine Wise Men, but they do a pretty amazing job.

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Robert A. Franco
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by Robert Franco | 2008/08/27 | log in or register to post a reply

Hmmph

That issue shows how well the system works

Hmm... I seem to recall a war in there somewhere... the legislative "system" didn't work until a half million people had been slaughtered and much of the country had been decimated.  In fact, Congress sought to appease the southern states for several years after Dred Scott by passing laws to protect slavery.

The failure of Congress to act quickly after the Dred Scott ruling is just one more example of a legislative body failing to do its job.

 
by Slade Smith | 2008/08/28 | log in or register to post a reply

Go Back and Read The Case, Rob

Dred Scott had been "hired out" by his master and was residing in Illinois, a free state, which means that at the time, he had legal standing to sue for his freedom under that state's law.  In fact, the Chief Justice at the time who handed down the majority opinion acknowleged that the federal courts lacked jurisdiction to even hear the case, but ruled on it anyway.

Like I said...the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right.

 
by Scott Perry | 2008/08/28 | log in or register to post a reply

I agree and disagree...

Slade:  The "system" didn't fail... we had a repugnant law, by today's mores, but the Supreme Court's job is merely to interpret the laws in light of our Constitution, past decisions, and existing legislative authority.  In the case of Dred Scott, they did just that.  It was a terrible result for our society and the legislature corrected it.  Of course, it didn't happen over night, but it wasn't just our legislature that was divided on the issue, the country was just as divided.  The legislatures divisiveness was equalled by the divisiveness of the people.

Scott:  The Court held that Dred Scott was not a citizen of the United States, thus he never had standing to bring the suit.  The judgment of the court below was overturned because the federal courts did not have jurisdiction.  Illinois, as a state, had no power on its own to confer US citizenship.  Can you imagine if they had ruled the other way?... today, California, Texas, and many other states could decide to grant amnesty and citizenship to millions of "illegals" crossing the boarder.  The Court simply recognized that a state did not have that power, that is for the federal government and, unfortunately, the country was still divided on the issue of slavery.  Eventually - the federal government, the legislature, changed the laws.

I am certainly not saying that the result in Dred Scott was a good one.  It was certainly morally repugnant and it is a stain on our country's history. But I think that is more a reflection of our society at the time - not the Supreme Court.  These issues, and society's mores, change over time.  In another hundred years, we may look back on gay rights in much the same light.  I guess my point is that it is difficult to look back and make judgments about these issues - we have changed as a society just as much as the laws have changed.

 
by Robert Franco | 2008/08/28 | log in or register to post a reply

Excellent, Robert

Your analysis of the case is quite correct. Dred Scott did not fit the constitutional definition of a citizen for purposes of the subject matter jurisdiction within the federal system of justice at that time. Thus, the court had no choice other than to rule as it did. The fault did not lie with the court, but rather with the short sighted view of the drafters of the Constitution and subsequent members of the House and Senate who failed to legislate a correction earlier than enactment of the 13th, 14th, 15th amendments, Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of l967. It seems that equal protection under the law was not easily obtained by some even after they were granted citizenship.. 

The federal courts can only act within the parameters of the subject matter jurisdiction granted to them within Article 3 of the Constitution and by congress (e.g. U. S. Tax Court, U. S. Court of Federal Claims , U. S. District Courts, etc.).

Within its search for subject matter jurisdiction the court looked to federal legislation for guidance as to the legislative/constitutional intent. Apparently congress deemed these laws to be in conformity with the "necessary and proper " clause of the Constitution. The ruling specifically cites a federal naturalization law of 1790 limiting the citizenship  to "aliens being free white persons." Further guidance was provided by a militia law of 1792 providing that " every free able-bodied white male citizen" shall be enrolled in the militia.

 
by Kevin Ahern | 2008/08/29 | log in or register to post a reply

Thank you...

Thank you, Kevin.  I'm glad I got that right.  I haven't read the case in a while.  Constitutional Law was over a year ago.  But, I did remember reading that case and being absolutely appauled.  My initial reaction was "how could that happen?"  But, after studying it in context of the times, it did make sense, no matter how morally offended I was.

I am taking a great class this semester.... Constitutional History.  The professor is fantastic and he has a very unique perspective. I guess he would be considered an "originalist."  He is definitely full of energy and very excited by the course material.

 
by Robert Franco | 2008/08/29 | log in or register to post a reply

Good Luck with the New Class

Constutional law is probably one of the most difficult courses in law school. Some times it seems more like political science than law, and so much of it is reading between the lines to understand the ruling.

 
by Kevin Ahern | 2008/08/29 | log in or register to post a reply

Ballot Initiative Pulled!

The Coalition that submitted the signatures to get the sick-day initiative on the ballot has pulled it!

Becky Williams, president of the Service Employees International Union District 1199, a major backer of the measure, said the union supported the decision after “it became clear that a shrill and vitriolic ballot campaign marred by misinformation and disinformation would be impossible to avoid.”

That had been a concern of Gov. Ted Strickland, who this summer tried to move a sick-leave measure through the legislature in hopes of avoiding an ugly public fight that could bruise Ohio’s image as a place to do business. When that attempt failed and it was clear a compromise couldn't’t be reached, Strickland came out against the issue.

 “We respect the governor’s wish to avoid a negative and divisive campaign that could hurt Ohio,” Williams said. “That was never our intent.”

The Coalition said that it was stepping aside and wait to see what happens with a federal sick-day bill supported by Obama.

I am relieved to see this... this is the way government is supposed to function.  Give the legislature a chance to work on a solution that will balance the needs of citizens against the potential harm such mandates could cause businesses.

Though I generally oppose such mandates, at least if they are implemented on a federal level it evens the playing field.  Passing this type of legislation in Ohio would just make it more difficult for Ohio to attract new business.  What Ohio needs right now is more jobs and we need to be careful not to tie the hands of our state government in growing our economy.

 
by Robert Franco | 2008/09/04 | log in or register to post a reply
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